The Spite of Comcast: HBO Go

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  1. Aug 12, 2018 #21 of 109
    NorthAlabama

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    xod on tivo is no longer available in comcast markets upgraded to fiber after the end of tivo's contract with comcast (june 30th).
     
  2. Aug 12, 2018 #22 of 109
    schatham

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    From HBO's perspective. OTA Tivo users may subscribe and HBO Go does them no good. HBO GO customers already have HBO.

    From Tivo's perspective, their largest cable provider does not allow it (HBO GO), so a small group can take advantage of it. Their OTA customers don't have to switch devices to watch, which may make some think why do I need a Tivo.

    The real reason IMO is a heavy hand from from Comcast to HBO and Tivo.
     
  3. Aug 12, 2018 #23 of 109
    TonyD79

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    And what about the majority of TiVo cable users who do get hbo Go on TiVo? While Comcast may be the single largest provider to cable TiVo users, they are not the majority and the hbo programming is available via on demand.

    The OTA argument is the only plus for Now versus Go but I’d bet a lot of OTA users have a Roku or other device anyway. And they have a TiVo to record OTA. Hard to do that cleanly any other way without being a technical expert.

    Oh, and you can get hbo via other streamers available on TiVo. So, you add few and take away access from many.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2018 #24 of 109
    chiguy50

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    I am among those who do not like to haggle and find it an annoyance. But that's the nature of the game and if you don't play, you lose. The best deals (when they are available) combining cost savings and convenience are the 2-year contracts for either HBO/Starz or SHO/Cinemax at $2 p.m. for the two premiums ($1 apiece). I currently have one for the latter pair; my previous 2-year contract for the former pair ran out over one year ago and I have managed to keep HBO for free since then by obtaining a recurring promo every three to six months. Free is good!:D
     
  5. Aug 12, 2018 #25 of 109
    Dan203

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    That sucks. I wonder if Comcast is working on an IP based app for 3rd party devices to access VOD on these new fiber systems?
     
  6. Aug 12, 2018 #26 of 109
    NashGuy

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    If you're technical enough to understand what a USB port is, you can use Tablo as your OTA DVR. They have very simple illustrated set-up instructions. Honestly, probably no more difficult to configure for first-time use than a TiVo. (I will admit that other options, like Plex DVR, aren't for non-techies. And MythTV, which I use, is *definitely* not for the general public.)
     
  7. Aug 12, 2018 #27 of 109
    NashGuy

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    Yes. It's called Xfinity Stream. Currently runs on Roku, iOS and Android. Coming soon to select smart TVs and, if I had to guess, eventually Apple TV and Fire TV.
     
  8. Aug 13, 2018 #28 of 109
    NorthAlabama

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    it's not a technical issue, they're just dropping support with new network configurations, the fiber still currently supports qam.

    web browsers, too.
     
  9. Aug 13, 2018 #29 of 109
    Dan203

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    But if it's like FIOS the linear channels are QAM but VOD is all IP.
     
  10. Aug 13, 2018 #30 of 109
    ajwees41

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    and last time I checked tivo's with access to cox ondemand have access to an IPbackchannel whatever that is
     
  11. Aug 13, 2018 #31 of 109
    NashGuy

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    I would find it interesting to know whether, when Comcast makes this type of network upgrade, they are moving all VOD to IP-only. It's been speculated (possibly confirmed?) that VOD on X1 boxes has been IP-based for years now. But VOD on older non-X1 boxes, as well as TiVos, has remained QAM-based.

    It would seem to me that, when this network upgrade is performed, it's changing *something* with regard to the technical transmission of VOD which makes it no longer compatible with the existing VOD app on TiVo. If that's true, then it would appear that prior to June 30, Comcast was taking some additional step(s) to make the revised VOD system still compatible with the TiVo app (e.g. the installation of IP-to-QAM VOD conversion hardware/software at the node). But since the lapse of their contract with TiVo on June 30, Comcast is no longer required to expend the extra resources to make the revised VOD system compatible with the TiVo app. So they aren't bothering to do that.

    The alternative explanation, I guess, is that it's 100% a contract issue and really has nothing to do with any technical changes to the VOD system when these network upgrades happen. But if that's the case, why didn't Comcast just kill the TiVo VOD app for everyone on July 1, when they were no longer contractually obligated to support it? But that isn't happening. Reportedly, only TiVo users whose local Comcast networks are upgraded after 6/30/18 are losing the ability to use the Xfinity OnDemand app. Which leads me to the question: are customers using Comcast's own pre-X1 boxes also losing access to VOD at the same time TiVo users are?
     
  12. Aug 13, 2018 #32 of 109
    NorthAlabama

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    astrohip's new install (wired in april) supports xod on tivo with ftth, if that makes any difference.
     
  13. Aug 13, 2018 #33 of 109
    mattack

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    I definitely don't *like* the haggling.. but do it.. Though heck, I guess it gets me to keep getting HBO since it's "only a few bucks a month" (I think $5 currently), even though I already have tons of other stuff I already record, etc.. Last Week with John Oliver is the only show I *regularly* watch, though I have watched a couple of documentaries (Garry Shandling) lately, *eventually* watch Silicon Valley, etc..
     
  14. Sep 19, 2019 #34 of 109
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Digging up an old thread but thought it was worth getting out there.

    Folks in the Tivo Innovate facebook group are saying HBO Go activates... They say to use a browser to activate and keep refreshing and it will eventually work. One person had to try about 10 times.

    Anybody with HBO, give it a shot.
     
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  15. Sep 19, 2019 #35 of 109
    NashGuy

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    Enjoy it while it lasts. The future of premium services look to me like they will all become unbundled a la carte services that will be sold only at regular prices. Note that Comcast has dumped Cinemax from their old top-tier Digital Premier package and Starz will get dropped from it in October.

    Meanwhile, it looks to me like WarnerMedia is going to (sooner or later) replace traditional HBO and Cinemax both with the upcoming HBO Max service.

    Meanwhile, CBS, which owns Showtime, placed an unsolicited bid this spring for Starz. That's unfinished business -- they pivoted over the summer to a bigger deal, re-merging back with Viacom to become the new ViacomCBS. But I still expect them to get back to buying Starz. What happens then? I can't see, in this new media landscape, any way that they operate two similarly sized and priced premium/streaming services. So Starz will just get absorbed into the slightly larger and stronger Showtime. Showtime immediately doubles its catalog, gains a bunch of new subs, and can maybe slightly raise its monthly price.

    ViacomCBS has made no secret that they're now on the prowl for additional acquisitions in order to scale up. I expect them to end up buying MGM too, or at least MGM's Epix service, and then folding that mini-premium/streamer into Showtime too.

    A couple years (or less) from now, in other words, what we used to think of as "premium" cable services will be down to just HBO Max and Showtime. Both services will look to squeeze their distribution partners' cut of the prices they charge down to the same levels that Netflix gets. That's going to mean no more giving away HBO or Showtime for free or at deeply discounted prices for months on end to retain customers. Sorry.
     
  16. Sep 19, 2019 #36 of 109
    mattyro7878

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    Samsung TVs also. Mine is a 2017 model and Xfinity Stream is pretty smooth .
     
  17. Sep 21, 2019 #37 of 109
    chiguy50

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    Has anyone with an HBO sub via Comcast had success activating HBO Go on a TiVo device?

    AFAICT, Xfinity is not allowing it, even though it does allow access on other devices, such as computers, mobile devices, Amazon Fire TV, and Roku.
     
  18. Sep 21, 2019 #38 of 109
    krkaufman

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    Somebody in another thread to which the same FYI was posted seemed to confirm it, but it didn't work for my TiVo box ... though I didn't try repeated refreshes.

    edit: Found via BigJim's history, here:
     
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  19. Sep 21, 2019 #39 of 109
    chiguy50

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    Do we know whether that user subscribes to HBO via his Comcast sub? That would be the salient point for me.
     
  20. Sep 21, 2019 #40 of 109
    morac

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    It worked for me for two different boxes using iOS Safari. I got the message that Xfinity doesn’t allow it when choosing Xfinity the first time. I reloaded the page and got a near blank page except for “choose a different provider”. I tapped that, tapped Xfinity again and it took me to the Xfinity web site and redirected me back and the box linked.

    I do subscribe to HBO. You can’t link HBOGO to Xfinity on any device if you don’t subscribe to HBO.
     
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