The Series 3 STINKS!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jauburn, Oct 8, 2007.

  1. pninen

    pninen Member

    Jun 25, 2003


    Pixelation and slow response are common symptoms OF A BAD DISK DRIVE. Get the disk drive replaced.
  2. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

    Sep 15, 2006
    Sorry to Quote what your saying... by why type something twice!

    I agree with everything you say....

    eSATA is allready here.... MRV/TTG is coming by the end of November...

    Must be a problem with his unit, OR CABLECARDS... OR OTA.... so do an exchange.. it does have a 1 year warranty.

  3. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

    Sep 15, 2006
    Hey a couple of you made other good points as well...

    The TiVo HD & TiVo S3 might NOT be perfect.

    However.... Tell me what is better? I don't know of ANY other HD product out on the market right now that does ANYTHING NEAR what the current S3 & HD are capable of.

    Keep in mind a couple of things...

    1. Cable Companies DVR's may not have some of the issues that TiVO has... but currently 99% of CAble Co DVR's DON"T use Cable Cards either. Anyone think that the problem might be with the CABLE CARDS and NOT Tivo???????

    2. 99% of the Cable companies DVR's don't do MRV/TTG either. The few that do have MRV/TTG Don't do it in HD in any form.

    3. With one exception that I am aware of... There is only one CAble Co, in one city with a DVR that has eSATA support. (TWC in San Diego, with a Scientific Atlanta Box)

    4. Keep in mind... that this TiVo Community forum only represents about 25% of TiVo users, and I would be willing to bet that at least 85% of TiVo S3 owners have experianced little or NO problems with their units. I know I am one who hasn't as of yet.

  4. rodalpho

    rodalpho New Member

    Sep 12, 2006
    Yes it does. It's the best choice available, I already said that. It's just not improving. My S3 is functionally identical to the S1 I bought in 2000, it just works with HD and is dramatically slower. The original TiVo was a breakthrough product, but they haven't improved on core functionality over the past 7 years.

    As far as improving TiVo goes, here's my short list.

    - Performance. My S1 had a 54Mhz CPU with 16MB RAM, my S3 has a 300Mhz CPU with 128MB. It's 2007 the UI should be instantaneous.
    - Automatic commercial skipping
    - QAM mapping.
    - Adjustable (or just larger) livetv cache
    - Free disk space meter
    - Ability to reencode video to mpeg4 to save disk space during off-hours
    - Centralized client/server architecture with thin clients like mythtv and windows MCE
    - Streaming over the internet like slingplayer
    - Ability to play xvid/divx/mpeg4/wmv/ISO files over a SMB share like xbox media center.
    - Mini TV picture while navigating menus, and similar frequently requested UI features
  5. Dr_Diablo

    Dr_Diablo Dr_Diablo

    Nov 23, 2003


    I'm on your side jb, this Tivo is nothing but crap

    To pay what we did only to have the darn thing screw up is unacceptable...

    Anyone that isn't having problems, simply hasn't turned the damn thing on...
  6. c-surfer

    c-surfer Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    San Diego,...
    >Anyone that isn't having problems, simply hasn't turned the damn thing on...

    Please don't insult me.

    I'm totally satisfied with my Series 3. Perfect HD recordings at 1080p. Podcasts. Plus, new features that weren't even available last December like Amazon Unboxed.
  7. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003
    1. I have never had audio and video out of sync on mine.

    2. That was an issue in 1st quarter of this year sometimes on mine, but for the most part not an issue now.

    3. I personally don't care about that.

    4. I used the MFSTools and am using a 750GB external drive in an eSata enclosure on mine just fine.

    5. I have no menu response issues as of 9.1 on most operations.

    6. I haven't had a blank recording since early in 2007.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Tivo has a ways to go to fix bugs, add features and get the UI up to HD resolution standards, but compared to the hell that was my cable companys DVR (the SA 8300HD) I am quite happy right now.
  8. jauburn

    jauburn Member

    May 18, 2006
    No idea.

    I've also no idea why so many feel it's not slow.

    Maybe Tivo has its reps on this board spouting bull?
  9. MScottC

    MScottC Well-Known Member

    Sep 11, 2004
    Because it isn't. or you have the patience of a chid. Yes, there are times I wait a second or two before something comes up on my TV screen. But come on, NOTHING in the entertainment/recreation world is that important, that waiting a second will kill you. GROW UP.
  10. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    Sounds like a problem more with your input signal than the Tivo.
    Again, it sounds like a problem with your provider. Poor signal quality can lead to these problems. Don't blame the Tivo for this (i.e., garbage in, garbage out)
    A little research prior to making the purchase would have told you this. The S3 was undergoing certification from CableLabs for this feature. They need approval from Big Brother before they can implement it. Expect to see it sometime in November if all goes well.
    Again, an informed consumer is a smart shopper. Stop whining because you didn't do your homework.
    Both my S3's work fine. You obviously never used a HDTivo prior to version 6.3x. You'd think the S3 was lightning fast by comparison.
    Once again, it sounds like an issue with your provider. If the signal isn't there what would you expect the Tivo to record?

    All I can say is if you're that dissatisfied with the S3 then either return it or put it on ebay. I'll lose sleep at night worrying that you're suffering so. :rolleyes:

    PS: I got mine for $615, delivered, and now they sell for less with rebates. I picked up a 2nd one on ebay for about $400. Early adopters pay dearly for the privilege and have to deal with more bugs. Thanks for being my Guinea Pig. ;)
  11. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

    Aug 2, 2003
    They're trying to avoid being stomped like Replay, so you won't see this.
  12. lordrichter

    lordrichter Registered User

    Jan 10, 2003
    Chapel HIll, NC
    Mine is on. Connected to cable. Connected to a TV. Two Cable Cards. SD and HD. Not having any problems right now. If I do, I'll try to remember to check back with you.

    I'm sorry if you are having problems with yours, but if you are, don't assume that because you are that everyone else must be, as well.

    I'm not a TiVo employee. I don't represent TiVo. I don't own TiVo stock. I try not to spout bull.

    My S3 does not feel slow. As a matter of fact, it is faster than my S2 Toshiba TiVo.
  13. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    1080p? :eek:
  14. cheerdude

    cheerdude Reed & Juliet's CPA

    Feb 27, 2001
    Las Vegas, NV
    Another +1 on how I am enjoying my S3. I am also an early adopter... buying it the first day that it was available at BB (after some order mixups with TiVo).

    Except for the local PBS HD station that doesn't look too good... and with TBS, at times, being blocky and unwatchable and with the HDMI losing its handshake - I've had no problems.
  15. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

    Oct 4, 2006
    You know, if you want to have EVERYTHING and you want it perfect and exactly how you want it, go out and get yourself an HTPC. It will only cost you about 2-3G for the same feature set as the S3 and it will be twice the size, twice as loud and require about 2 days of configuring and setup.

    But hey, then you can stop complaining, amirite?

    edit: I only find the S3 "slow" when I compare it to my TV's analog tunner, which is lightning fast. I find nothing about the menus to be any slower than my S3. Channel changing is slow... but all digital channel changing is slow IMO. I kinda miss the days of the slider box that could change channels faster than you could move the slider.
  16. mulscully

    mulscully Member

    May 31, 2003
    Malvern, Pa
    I too am satisfied with my TivoHD.. No cable card issues. I had ( and still have 2)the verizon DVR want to talk peice of Crap.. well there you go..

    Just waiting for the price to hit 200 befor getting another one...
  17. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Except for the latest issue with the 9.1 CableCARD bug I haven't had any problems with my Series 3. Sorry to hear it's not treating you well.
  18. SystemJinx

    SystemJinx (o_0)

    Aug 13, 2005
    North of...
    My Tivo is working flawlessly. I don't know what's up with the OP's Tivo. Must have gotten a bad unit.

    Maybe the OP should get a cable company DVR. Something tells me he would be much happier using a real POS box just because it's not a Tivo.
  19. demon

    demon BURNINATOR

    Nov 15, 2006
    Western SD
    300 MHz on one CPU is not exactly the same as 300 MHz on another CPU. PPC and MIPS are very different. Also, there have been various features added to the software - what version of software on the S1 are you comparing?

    As someone else mentioned, they're smart enough to be aware of the fate that befell Replay when they tried this; you'll never see it. I'd like it too, but I'm not going to cry into my pillow at night that it isn't there.

    Agreed, but if you're using QAM mapping, you probably are only getting OTAs anyway (if that) - you could just get them OTA.

    Agreed. I'd like this.

    Agreed; though as many other people have mentioned, how to do it is the question. In hours? But what format? And with the variance in bitrates, 1 hour of video does not absolutely map to a specific number of GB of storage. Specify in MB/GB? Joe Average won't know how to map that to recordable capacity. Percentage? If it's 50% full with SD content, and you record HD content, hours-wise that's nowhere near 50%. I know better, and you probably do too, but they have to address the needs of Joe Average with this, and how to do that is a thorny question.

    The S3 doesn't have an MPEG-4 encoder ASIC; the TiVo HD apparently does, but it doesn't sound like they've got code in place to make use of that functionality yet. Also, reencoding is a guaranteed way to lose quality, due to algorithmic differences in the compression models. Nice idea, and in concept I agree with you - but in reality, it's got problems.

    Maybe. I dunno about this.

    That would require a lot of recoding - Slingbox uses an adaptive compression system that adjusts based on transfer conditions. Assuming it's even wired so that it could do that, it only has two MPEG-2 encoders (two MPEG-4 AVC capable encoders on the TiVo HD?), and that would cause troubles if two SD recordings came up. That adds a lot of complexity for functionality that I don't really think belongs in the TiVo. It's set up as an appliance - it does one job, and (ideally) does it well.

    I don't think that's going to happen, for a lot of reasons; besides, there are devices that do that sort of thing. Besides, you'd be pretty limited - MPEG-2, probably MPEG-1, and MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 (*not* the same as MPEG-4 part 2, a bastardized version of which is used for DivX/XviD and friends), and not WMV3/VC-1. XBox Media Center was running on an ~900 MHz P3 Celeron CPU, which had some vector features, so a lot of the codecs that couldn't be handled in hardware could be assisted by software - that isn't an option with the TiVo's relatively measly embedded MIPS CPU.

    This is a feature I just can't get behind.
  20. mulscully

    mulscully Member

    May 31, 2003
    Malvern, Pa
    had this feature with the verizon DVR.. Thought I would have liked that when I was using DTV w/Tivo.. turns out I don't. There have been a number of time when My wife and I are watching a tv show that is too violent or whatever and my child will come in the room. i used to just grab the remote and hit the tivo button.. couldn't with verizon.. now that I can again.. I realized how much I missed doing that...

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