"The retail market for TiVo days are numbered...enjoy it while it lasts"..???

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Intheswamp, May 1, 2018.

  1. wco81

    wco81 Active Member

    Dec 28, 2001
    San Jose, CA


    DVRs are a niche and standalone DVRs with 4 or more tuners even more of a niche.

    Comcast aggressively pushes their X1 and it's sufficient for most people. They eventually get raped on the service charges, after their initial promo deal runs out. But it allows people to avoid spending high 3-figure or even 4 figure to get a Tivo setup for their home.

    So for the people who stay with cable, most either don't bother with DVRs or get whatever the cable company offers them, even if they spend $300 a year on DVR fees.

    For cord-cutters, there is no need for DVRs (well I would argue there always is) but maybe there could be a niche that captures streams and then allows you to FF through commercials. Though I don't know why a service like Hulu, which has commercials in their lowest subscription tier, would offer a client for such products.

    If the US ever gets last-mile competition, then the stranglehold of the cable companies may loosen. Supposedly AT&T and Verizon will be offering home 5G in a couple of years. That could accelerate cord-cutting, as people can cut off any relationships with cable companies at that point.

    But that assumes 5G will be as fast as advertised and priced competitively, without caps. With 4K HDR streaming, caps can start to become an issue. Of course the 5G providers will also try to sell TV packages along with the data.

    However it may be wishful thinking to expect disruption in the home Internet market. If it comes though, companies like Tivo will have to find a business model.
  2. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    But of course there is.
  3. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    Verizon is saying that they will launch 5G home internet service in Sacramento, plus maybe a couple more markets, before the end of this year (likely in Nov. or Dec.). We'll probably see AT&T do the same late this year or early 2019, although I don't think AT&T is going to be as aggressive about using 5G for home service as Verizon; AT&T's main focus will remain expanding their fiber-to-the-home network. I do expect that 5G home internet will be priced to compete against cable broadband and the competition will be good for consumers.

    Here's the Samsung equipment that Verizon will use for 5G home service:
    Samsung’s 5G Home Router Hits the FCC, Gets Verizon a Step Closer...
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  4. stile99

    stile99 Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2002
    Some people insist the only true cord cutting is OTA, in which case saying there is no need for a DVR is just plain silly. However, even when the definition is expanded to include streaming, even then a DVR is quite useful. The programs aren't 'recorded', of course, making the R part irrelevant, but one of the good things about the TiVo interface is it will bookmark and maintain 'season passes' for streaming. So you can set up a onepass for, for example, Stranger Things, and it is right there in the familiar interface. When you are done watching an episode, you 'delete' it, and you still know where you left off because the rest are still listed.

    I find the people who keep insisting there is no need for a DVR for the most part use their DVR one way and won't acknowledge that perhaps someone else uses theirs in a different way.
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