The people Vs OJ Simpson (whole mini series)

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  1. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter (much) if later analysis found Shapiro or Cochran's prints or DNA on the gloves. OJ, not so much. :)

    So, I think the latex gloves were to protect him, not the integrity of the evidence in general.

    But also to protect the prosecution from claims by the defense that OJ's prints on the glove are from the trial.
     
  2. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    Same here. DirecTV Genie cut off the last ten minutes twice. I've since padded 1/2 hour, and the problem is gone. My TiVo on Comcast never has this issue.
     
  3. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

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    Hmm. My DirecTV DVRs (non-Genie) have never had this issue. Wonder why that is?
     
  4. bruinfan

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    my thought is that once the evidence has been processed, and there is mutually no need to collect more, then preserving the evidence stops being a priority. So if they "find OJ's prints" on the glove once they have been released, it's not a question that the evidence has been tampered. EVeryone is touching the evidence.

    of course, 100% of my lawyering experience is through tv and movies... so there. but i've seen plenty of shows that have murder weapons being touched without gloves.


    things i've learned the last 2 eps:
    the genesis and evolution behind marcia clark's hair and look
    chris darden is conflicted about oj being black and the sexual tension thing.
    johnnie cochran is not a good guy... the whole domestic violence thing
    rob kardashian is a star f'er
    OJ likes to use football metaphors

    did they finish the mark fuhrman being white supremecist story line?
     
  5. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I guess it's hereditary. :D
     
  6. jschuman

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    it seemed pretty unbelievable to me as well, but again, it totally happened. Even MORE unbelievable is that it appears that nobody on the prosecution side tried on the gloves! Wouldn't they want to make sure they would fit before having OJ try them on? If Shapiro could make the determination that they wouldn't fit couldn't Darden do the same? That's bad lawyering.
     
  7. aindik

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    If the show is to be believed, Darden is the only person on the prosecution side who knew, going into court that day, that they were going to have OJ try on the gloves.
     
  8. jschuman

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    The show is not to be believed in that respect. From http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-7-recap:

    I suppose Ito threw a curveball in there at the last moment, and IANAL, but still seems pretty negligent not to know that the actual glove would be a tight fit at that point.
     
  9. Fofer

    Fofer Bo55man69

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    Whether or not they knew they would fit seems immaterial, given the later, larger context.

    I'd bet that a duplicate pair of the exact same gloves would have been a perfectly fine fit.

    But the original pair of gloves that:
    -has been soaked in blood for months
    -worn over another pair of rubber gloves (?!?!?!)
    -with the suspect actively trying to make them appear to not fit, by bending fingers and aping "discomfort"

    ...would not.

    As was said earlier, O.J. should have been wincing instead that he's handling the gloves of the "real killer" who decapitated his wife. Not acting like a clown!

    That the prosecution didn't aggressively complain about this false parade was TERRIBLE lawyering.

    WTF?
     
  10. mattack

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    But you can clearly see him tweaking his fingers to make the gloves look like they don't fit..
     
  11. Fofer

    Fofer Bo55man69

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    Right, so why didn't the prosecution capitalize that, and mention it, specifically?

    IT DIDN'T FIT, SO NO ACQUIT!
     
  12. crazywater

    crazywater USS TiVo NCC-1780

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    And Marcia Clark makes the point that if it was so difficult to get the gloves on OJ certainly has no problem taking them off as you can see in the actual clip of the trial on YouTube.
     
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  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I had no idea there was such an issue with the jury. I can totally understand why the jury was going stir crazy being cooped up in the hotel for all those months without much access to the outside world. But the games that Cochran and Clarke were playing to manipulate the makeup of the actual members of the jury was new to me.

    Here's the Vanity Fair fact-check/recap:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-8-recap

    Rolling Stone's fact-check/recap:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/reca...ode-8-our-fact-checking-recap-20160322?page=2

    Vulture's fact-check:

    http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-8-fact-checked.html
     
  14. smak

    smak TV MA SLV

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    I'm pretty sure I remember somebody (Darden or Ito) telling OJ to straighten his fingers out.

    -smak-
     
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  16. mattack

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    that's what I mean, in real life, he is contorting his fingers when putting on the gloves to MAKE them not fit..
     
  17. TIVO_GUY_HERE

    TIVO_GUY_HERE I miss the ocean

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    FYI:

    On Sunday, April 3 from 9am -9pm ET/PT, the Esquire Network will air its first-ever 12-hour special, a broadcast marathon recapping the trial from opening arguments to final verdict, featuring archival footage straight from the courtroom of the 1995 murder trial of actor and sports hero/retired professional football running back Orenthal James "O.J." Simpson, accused of the brutal deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson, his ex-wife and the mother of their children, and her friend Ronald Goldman, on the evening of June 12, 1994.

    Viewers will relive the most intriguing, controversial and poignant moments from the trial, including opening statements from both the prosecution and the defense, key witness and police testimonies, the infamous "gloves" moment, closing statements and, finally, the stunning verdict that was delivered on October 3, 1995. No re-enactments, voice-overs, dramatics or theatrics can replace the facts and the polarizing figures who were in that courtroom every day during the trial. It took the jury only four hours to reach their verdict, but viewers will have 12 hours to come to their own conclusion, when Esquire Networks airs "The Real O.J. Simpson Trial" on Sunday, April 3 from 9am - 9pm ET/PT.

    Footage from the trial will include:

    9am-10am: "The Kickoff"- Opening Statements by prosecutors Marcia Clark, Christopher Darden and "Dream Team" defense lead, Johnnie Cochran.

    10am-11am: "Dead-Ball, Foul Play"- Opening Statements continue and new witnesses not disclosed by the defense allow state prosecutor Marcia Clark an additional opening statement.

    11am-12pm: "The F Word" Former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman testifies.

    12pm-1pm: "I Plead The Fifth" Defense witnesses testify. Fuhrman makes a stunning return. F.Lee Bailey enthralls the media.

    1pm-2pm: "Take Care of The Hands That Take Care Of You" A particular pair of gloves holds the courtroom's attention.

    2pm-3pm: "Is Kato Your Middle Name?" Struggling actor and Simpson guest-house occupant, Brian "Kato" Kaelin begins a multi-day appearance.

    3pm-4pm: "Never Live With Someone That Won The Heisman" Testimony continues with Brian "Kato" Kaelin.

    4pm-5pm: "Did We Just Have An Earthquake: Thumps On The Wall" Brian "Kato" Kaelin wraps up his time on the stand then faces the waiting media.

    5pm-6pm: "Running Back" Closing arguments by prosecutors Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden, defense team Johnnie Cochran and Barry Scheck.

    6pm-7pm: "Milking the Clock" Closing arguments by prosecutors Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden, defense team Johnnie Cochran and Barry Scheck.

    7pm-8pm: "Play To The Whistle" Closing arguments continue. Rebuttals by the prosecution.

    8pm-9pm: "If It Don't Fit, You Must Acquit" Closing arguments, rebuttal and the verdict of the trial of the century.

    About Esquire Network


    Read more at http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2016...149115/20160324esquire01/#KFK8bGHOVeFL54FZ.99
     
  18. TAsunder

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

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    Wow. Coattails much?
     
  19. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    I'll probably watch a little of this (definitely won't invest a whole 12 hours to it though). It will be interesting to compare the real stuff with the FX series.
     
  20. Fofer

    Fofer Bo55man69

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    Sounds interesting, but I don't get the Esquire Network. It's on a "preferred tier" of my cable subscription. Hmm, I wonder if I can subscribe for a few days just to record this. :)
     

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