The people Vs OJ Simpson (whole mini series)

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  1. Feb 23, 2016 #81 of 212
    aindik

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    When I first watched Nurse Jackie I thought I'd never unsee Carmella Soprano, but I eventually did. Totally forgot about her. I never expected Edie Falco to be able to do that, but she did, at least to me.

    OTOH, Little Steven van Zandt is Silvio even when he's not acting at all. :)
     
  2. Feb 24, 2016 #82 of 212
    TiVo'Brien

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    So Robert Shapiro wanted to plea bargain the case down to manslaughter? I never knew this. That's the thing about this show - I like the little details that are coming out.

    I had to laugh (but felt bad for) at the focus group's opinion of Marcia Clark. I was wondering if they were going to say what I was thinking and they did! :D
     
  3. Feb 24, 2016 #83 of 212
    aindik

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    I read an article about this series, that one of the things that's supposed to be brought out, that wasn't really talked about back in 94 and 95, is the kind of sexist double standard that Marcia Clark had to deal with. Apparently Sarah Paulson went to talk to Marcia Clark about it while they were in production. This is starting to come out here with the suggestions that she change her hair and her wardrobe, and that she's a "*****." (Yes, I know it was a woman in the focus group who said she was a *****.)
     
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  4. Feb 24, 2016 #84 of 212
    Jayjoans

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    I followed the actual trial somewhat closely, and I didn't remember an issue arising with Judge Ito's wife and her apparently knowing Mark Fuhrman.

    Google has shown me what I missed back in August 1995.
     
  5. Feb 25, 2016 #85 of 212
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    I'm pretty sure it was talked about because she distinctly changed her hair during the trial.

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  6. Feb 25, 2016 #86 of 212
    aindik

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    What I meant was not talked about was what is now perceived as the inherent sexism in the suggestion that she change her hair and wear skirts.

    Also mentioned in the article was the sexist manner with which Ito treated her, including in front of the jury.

    This is the article. It may be spoilery:
    http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/02/marcia-clark-redeemed-c-v-r.html
     
  7. Feb 26, 2016 #87 of 212
    Mikeyis4dcats

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    I think Travolta is trying to emulate the chin up, little upper face mmovement of the real Shapiro. Not effectively, of course.

    (the YT tag doesn't seem to work)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_HHAMqpo8
     
  8. Feb 26, 2016 #88 of 212
    hefe

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    bruinfan

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    this is so not fair....

    every biopic is not going to be exactly true to the subjects. the vast majority of the actors probably have minimal resemblance to the subjects. they just have the luxury of us not knowing who they are. you think bradley cooper really was a spot on impersonation of chris kyle? or is it that we had no idea who chris kyle was, so cooper had the freedom to portray him as best he could?

    that being said, i feel like paulson is nailing marcia clark. and johnnie cochran was a caricature in real life anyways, so he's easy to imitate.

    but i'm not letting the other take away from the show.. i am loving this series.
     
  10. Feb 26, 2016 #90 of 212
    aindik

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    Some of the "impressions," for lack of a better word, are great. Cochran, Darden, Clark, Ito are all really good. The impressions of OJ, Robert Shapiro, and F. Lee Bailey are terrible.
     
  11. Feb 26, 2016 #91 of 212
    JFriday

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    I think Travoltas impression of Shapiro resembles the video posted above.
     
  12. Feb 26, 2016 #92 of 212
    DevdogAZ

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    I'm not really worried about how well (or not well) the actors are at playing the real-life people. I'm just fascinated by the machinations and the decisions, most of which are based on some pretty-well researched source material.
     
  13. Feb 26, 2016 #93 of 212
    Steveknj

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    That's how I look at it. I remember the OJ stuff, but there's so much behind the scenes stuff that I never knew about and what went into the decisions that everyone made, and if true, it's really interesting.
     
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  14. Feb 26, 2016 #94 of 212
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    While that would be interesting there seem to be a lot of scenes that they must be creatively writing like between OJ and Shapiro private meetings or the conversations inside the Bronco between AJ and OJ.

    I look at a lot of these scenes and say how do we really know thats how it played out.

    The more public scenes like where Marcia is called a ***** I can easily see.

    So I have to pick and choose.
     
  15. Feb 26, 2016 #95 of 212
    Steveknj

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    I think this is based on a book. Well we don't know, obviously, if everything in the book is true, but, I would imagine that's where the source material is coming from, based on interviews and so forth.
     
  16. Feb 26, 2016 #96 of 212
    DevdogAZ

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    Correct. The show is primarily based on the book "The Run of His Life" by Jeffrey Toobin. But I've heard interviews with the writers and they've also mentioned how nearly everyone involved wrote books, including some of the jurors. So there is lots of source material out there.

    As for some of the private conversations that we couldn't possibly know what was really said, of course there has to be some creative license with that stuff. But even with that private conversation between Cochran and OJ from the most recent episode, while we don't know if the conversation actually happened, what we do know is that in the early court appearances, OJ looked downtrodden and defeated. Then suddenly, he started appearing in court looking like the confident man he had been prior to the murders. There's lots of speculation as to what caused this, but it seems to have coincided with the time when Cochran took over control of the Dream Team. So it's not a stretch for the writers to write a scene where Cochran told OJ that he needs to look and act like a winner if he wants the public, and especially the jury, to see him that way.

    Here's a great recap of the latest episode, going over the plot points that matched with reality:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/02/people-v-oj-simpson-episode-4-recap
     
  17. Feb 27, 2016 #97 of 212
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    I'm not sure it was sexism in the fact that her change was based on actual events in the field, ie jury consultants finding that people didn't like her.

    Now, people may not have liked her looks, and that could have partially been based on sexism, but the position that she would change a few things to help people like her more isn't really sexist imo.

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  18. Feb 27, 2016 #98 of 212
    smak

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    Yah, especially Darden, the guy looks and sounds exactly like him.

    Cochran and Clark are also very good, but I'm very familiar with the actors, so they don't get as much lost in their roles as some of the others.

    But they both are excellent.

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  19. Feb 27, 2016 #99 of 212
    aindik

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    I think the sexist part is nobody asked Robert Shapiro to change his hair. Nobody asked Johnny Cochran to wear less flashy suits. Sexism on the part of the mock jury, or the real jury, counts, too.

    The two of us are on kind of interesting sides in this discussion, btw. :)
     
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  20. DevdogAZ

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    It's sexist in that a male being aggressive in the courtroom is viewed as powerful and an effective advocate for his client. A woman being aggressive in the courtroom is viewed as a ***** and unlikable.
     
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