The Office - 10/22/09 - "The Lover"

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  1. pdhenry

    pdhenry Ruthless

    Feb 27, 2005


    Tension? Yes.

    Sexual? Hah!?
  2. sushikitten


    Jan 27, 2005
    This is why I love The Office: the scene in the conference room where Pam is yelling at Michael about dating her mom and everyone is on her side (including me)...then Michael simply says (paraphrasing) "Why shouldn't I be allowed to be happy?" and then you (well, at least I) suddenly felt bad for Michael and thought "What is wrong with him dating Pam's mom?"

    For the writers to be able to switch my emotions like that - making Michael a total clod one moment and a sap the next... well, I love that.
  3. gossamer88

    gossamer88 UHDTV Snob

    Jul 26, 2005
    Da Bronx
    I too felt bad for Michael. Especially when he was ready leave by the elevator. And Pam is definitely over reacting. She should just stand by and wait 'til Michael inevitably does something to ruin the relationship.
  4. Fool Me Twice

    Fool Me Twice >>>>>>

    Jul 6, 2004
    No way Pam was overreacting. I didn't feel a twinge of sorrow for Michael on this one. Not like I did when Holly was forced to move. He's a selfish, foolish, embarrassing, often mean-spirited, pig of a man that no one should wish on their mother. Jan and Holly are both mental (though not borderline retarded like Michael) and so were fitting partners (though Jan brought out the worst in Michael, and Holly the best). But if Pam's mom is perfectly sane, just lonely, then Pam needs to kick Michael's arse to protect her from him.
  5. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003


    Hope springs eternal. ;)
  6. Aniketos

    Aniketos Active Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    There's a passive aggressive dislike that Erin has for Pam. They touched on it in a deleted scene last week. It has to do with everyone loving Pam and Erin not feeling like part of the group. But whenever she was confronted about it she vehemently denies it and she started overcompensated for it.

    Only hilarity can ensue if they continue with it.
  7. scooterboy

    scooterboy Coney Island Small

    Mar 27, 2001
    I don't see that.

    I did watch the deleted scene from last week, and Erin seemed genuinely upset when she cleaned Pam's artwork and the colors started to run.

    I think it bugs Erin that she hasn't fitted in yet and everyone likes Pam better, but I didn't think it was specifically a problem between her and Pam or that she dislikes Pam. I think she very much dislikes not fitting in though, and is trying too hard.
  8. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    Not a Beesly anymore....
  9. Kablemodem

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

    May 26, 2001
    I'm surprised that Erin and Toby haven't hit it off yet.
  10. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

    Nov 8, 2003
    San Jose, CA
    Gosh that's interesting. I was thinking it was exactly the opposite, that Pam has a dislike for Erin because Erin is very bubble (unlike Pam) and that everyone seems like like Erin and that Erin seems to care about doing what Michael says (unlike Pam).
  11. Hopeless

    Hopeless Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Oswego, IL

  12. Brute

    Brute Member

    May 14, 2004
    Richmond, VA
    IMO, Pam's reaction was warranted not because she was looking out for her mother, but because Michael will take that relationship to a totally inappropriate level with Pam. Which he did, by talking to her as if he were her father.
  13. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

    Jun 30, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Did she change her name? I don't remember anyone calling her Pam Halpert, but I guess I must have missed that.
  14. Fish Man

    Fish Man Phish Food

    Mar 4, 2002
    0.7 miles...
    I think her reaction was appropriate for both reasons.

    Michael will do both, make her mother miserable (for too many reasons to count, some of which have been covered in this thread), and take that relationship to a totally inappropriate level with Pam.

    As for my opinion of the episode in general...

    Very good episode! :up:

    I think Michael's general cluelessness when it comes to relationships with women will make the thing with Pam's mom a rather short-lived fling (as it needs to be to keep the show from jumping the shark anyway). With the exception of Holly, which was a perfect match that happened out of sheer luck, Michael is a disaster at picking a romantic interest. In "Chair Model" we saw him utterly obsessed with surface "hotness" with no attention paid at all to the person within. This caused him to overlook Pam's landlady, who, while plain looking, was strongly implied to be a sweet and giving person. It is also this trait in Michael that made it so easy for him to go crawling back to shrewish Jan when she got a boob job. While some argue that psycho-beyatch Jan and Michael "deserve" each other on some level, she is clearly a disaster for him (as she would be for anybody, with her hateful selfish ways), and he never really figured that out. The painful irony, of course, is that the one time Michael stumbled into the perfect relationship (Holly) it was torn asunder by the very organization to which he is so eternally loyal (DM).

    Michael's fling with Pam's mom will turn out to be a disaster also, and in this case, surely because of him and not her. (In a subsequent episode we'll probably see her "wise up" and dump him.)

    On some other opinion fronts... I too laughed out loud at Creed crying at the aria. I do think the tension between Erin and Michael is "sexual". She is attracted to him. I think they're setting up Erin to be a future "relationship disaster" for Michael.
  15. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    I didn't hear anyone call her by her last name; I just assumed.
  16. Fish Man

    Fish Man Phish Food

    Mar 4, 2002
    0.7 miles...
    Since, in today's society, the wife taking the husband's surname is the more common practice, I think that's a reasonable assumption.

    Had Pam kept her surname, I suspect that would have been a significant plot point. There are several people in the office that would have had comments about it. Michael, Dwight, and Angela would have all surely had strong negative opinions about it, which they would have voiced, and Kelly and Andy would have had snarky gossipy things to say about it.
  17. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Don't forget that in "The Promotion", Kevin wrote the check out to "Mrs. Pam Halpert" and Pam got excited seeing it for the first time.
    It was implied in that scene that she was changing her name.
  18. DancnDude

    DancnDude Thrice as nice TCF Club

    Feb 7, 2001
    Madison, WI
    Didn't Pam get a check from somebody before the wedding as a gift that she was so excited for because it was made out to Mrs. Halpert (or something like it)? And it was the first time she'd seen her name like that so she was super-excited.

    Edit: doh too late
  19. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

    Jun 30, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    It's also a reasonable assumption that she hadn't yet done so by her first day back at work after her honeymoon. So even if she intends to change her name to Halpert, these things take some time. :p

    I know one of my friends intended to change her name after her marriage but kept putting it off for months because it was a PITA (ss card, driver's license, passport, checking acct, deeds, loans, cc cards . . . it's quite a process). I don't know if she ever finished, actually.
  20. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I hope they keep up the Michael dating Pam's mom for a little while. Think of the hilarity that would ensue if Jim and Pam were to spend Thanksgiving with her mother, only to have Michael be there too.

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