The Office 1/05 - Booze Cruise **SPOILERS**

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  1. Azlen

    Azlen Well-Known Member

    Nov 24, 2002
    Peoria, AZ
    I don't think Pam feels as strongly for Jim as he does for her or is in complete denial about it.
  2. JETarpon

    JETarpon Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    Maybe Roy could buy the cheap envelopes, die from the toxic glue, and Pam meets someone else before Jim gets a chance, since he doesn't want to intrude on her grief.
  3. pdhenry

    pdhenry Recumbent

    Feb 27, 2005
    Face it - if Jim and Pam ever hook up the entire premise of the show is ruined. This would be beyond jumping the shark. Hopefully as long as Ricky Gervais is involved with the show it won't make this leap.
  4. latrobe7

    latrobe7 What, me worry?

    May 1, 2005
    Present. I didn't want to threadcrap, but since you're looking for me :D

    I'm a "late-adopter" of this show and have only seen a few episodes. I have also seen about as many episodes of the original series. I think the Boss in the new version is better. But Jim and Pam I thought where much better and more "real" in the original.

    IMO, the Pam/Jim relationship is just lame. I'm not buying it at all, sorry. It reads as a "proximity-crush" to me. And on a woman already in a relationship. The moment on the deck was pathetic. To me it was more like he wasn't going to say anything because he knew his unrealistic fantasy would be smashed into a thousand pieces.

    I saw the last(?) episode of the original series - so I know where this is heading - all I can say is I don't think I would buy it with these people. And if they did get together, it would be over in three months once both of them realized that they where just hot for each other because they where together so much and it was "verboten"
    Sorry. I'm still watching for now. Hopefully next week will be better.
  5. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

    Jun 30, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    That's funny because I have the exact opposite reaction.

    I liked David Brent more than I like Michael Scott, and found David funnier and more sympathetic because I could pity him while still finding him obnoxious. Brent skated a fine line while Michael is just a jerk and a buffoon and it's hard to find him sympathetic at all (even though I think Carell is very good and Michael is stillfunny).

    But as much as I liked Tim and Dawn (and I liked them a lot), I find Jim and Pam much cuter and I can see more affection between them than I saw between Tim and Dawn, and I'm drawn more to their (non) romance subplot. Tim was my favorite character in the original just as Jim is now, but I love Jim in a way I never loved Tim. Jim seems like a nicer guy and Tim was a little pathetic with the being 30 and still living with his parents thing. (Is that more common in the UK? I always found it odd.)
  6. latrobe7

    latrobe7 What, me worry?

    May 1, 2005
    Yeah, I would agree with that, I just find Michael's act is funnier

    Forgot about that, but yeah, I always assumed it more common in England.
  7. xtopher_66

    xtopher_66 Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    Agreed, I think Carell is great in this role and he's done a great job of creating a unique character rather than trying to do an Amricanized version of David Brent.

    The way David Brent played by the camera by always looking directly at it whenever he was doing or saying something stupid was just brilliant. As if he were looking for some sort of reasurrance from the audience.
  8. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
  9. balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

    Jan 19, 2004
  10. sfenton

    sfenton Active Member TCF Club

    Feb 8, 2004
    Acworth Ga
    I thought for sure Micheal was going to score with the woman from Corporate (again). She just seemed to be enthralled with him.
  11. mdsutherland

    mdsutherland Act Accordingly

    Feb 24, 2004
    Madison, WI
    Even if it is a proximity crush it is still a crush. And when you are in a middle of crush you don't know that she is not the one or it wouldn't work. So to Jim Pam is the most perfect women and he longs to be with her. If he ever got he may realize that he was wrong but right now that crush is his truth.
  12. mdsutherland

    mdsutherland Act Accordingly

    Feb 24, 2004
    Madison, WI
  13. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    Ain't that the truth! :(
  14. sonnik

    sonnik Innovations.

    Jul 7, 2000
    Pam probably is in denail, because she is engaged (and as a result, is probably resentful of the possibility she would have feeling for anyone besides Roy).

    A few notes:
    - In the episode when they were all at Chili's "Dundies", Pam (in a drunken state) seemed to reveal a little bit more about her true feelings. In fact, she almost confided something to Jim on the subject, but we were led to believe that the noticed the documentary camera and then decided not to say it.
    - A couple of the other women in the office have noticed the chemistry between Pam and Jim. Angela has even made a couple cracks about it; Pam backed off the Dwight/Angela thing because of those cracks.
    - Pam seemed a little jealous when Jim was receiving the calls from the handbag girl, telling Jim to give her his direct extension.
  15. pdhenry

    pdhenry Recumbent

    Feb 27, 2005
    That's what mde the heart-to-heart at the end of this ep funny - Michael was totally unaware that there was and chemistry at all, and said Jim had to be hiding it really well, "I have a really good radar for these sorts of things..."
  16. DLiquid

    DLiquid Progressive User

    Sep 17, 2001
    "What part of the ship is the sales department?"
    "The sails."

    I love how Michael didn't even understand the answer, when it was really the perfect answer to his question.
  17. Turnberry

    Turnberry New Member

    Jan 12, 2006
    Those are exactly my thoughts. Seriously, how long has Pam been with Roy? We know they've been engaged for 3 years. Roy mentioned that Pam was artsy in high school so is it possible they were high school sweethearts and have been dating for 5 years, perhaps even longer? Regardless of the time period, Pam has been in this relationship for a long time so it makes sense that she's scared and is in denial regarding her feelings for Jim. She's scared of the unknown. I think that's why she walked back inside the boat during Jim's awkward silence. As Jim stared her down it probably became apparent to her that it was a "more than friends" moment for the two of them (she iniated this though by stating that she didn't understand Roy and by saying "I don't know"). To ease her fear she leaves the situation. Like you stated above she's reacted the same way when the camera has been on her during special Jim/Pam moments.

    We (the viewer) know how Jim feels about Pam. I think the hardest thing to figure out is if Pam's aware of just how strong Jim's feelings are toward her. I think she knows that they have "more than friends" feelings toward one another, but I don't think she understands the depth of Jim's feelings. Will that scene on the boat deck change anything? The next time we see them in the office will they revert back to there old flirting ways or will things be weird. It's going to be interesting......
  18. ccagle

    ccagle New Member

    Dec 30, 2005
    great episode
  19. MickeS

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I atually like the Michael Scott character. Well, not "like" in "I would be his friend in real life", because he IS a jerk. :)

    But I have a lotof sympathy for him. He is a classic example of someone with extremely low self-confidence, trying to hide it behind being a buffoon and a bully, while also trying to be a friend, and hoping people will like him. A small, touching moment was in the Christmas party episode, at the end when everyone was leaving for the after-party at the bar, and Phyllis' boyfriend asked Michael if he wanted to come. Michael's face and reaction said a lot in that short moment.

    I did not like Carell'sportrayalof Michael at all in the beginning, but I must say he's managed to turn out a nice character portrait. Which also is funny as hell. :)
  20. jschuur

    jschuur TV-holic, improving

    Nov 27, 2002
    London, UK
    Digging up and old thread, I know, but this new interview sheds some light on the Pam/Roy connection:

    10 years! Zoiks!

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