The Office 1/05 - Booze Cruise **SPOILERS**

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  1. canyonero!

    canyonero! Weak. Powerful Weak

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    I really liked this episode, especially the last few minutes as Skittles said. I assumed the opening scene with Dwigt's supplies in the vending machine was simply Paul Feig doing a nice Undeclared reference. It was his show too afterall.

    I just assumed Jim was a little drunk.
     
  2. crowfan

    crowfan The Dude abides

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    I kinda was, but I understood it. I know I've been in situations like that. You know you shouldn't talk to this particular person about it, but you're just so torn up that you have to get it out to someone. You know you'll probably regret it later, but you need that release at that moment.

    I thought it was really well done.
     
  3. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    Man that was painful. I've been Jim. More that a couple of times. It isn't fun. :(

    It looked like Jim was about to tell Pam (right in front og the cheerleader :eek: ) just as Roy took the mike.


    It takes money to make money. Substituting 'money' with 'women' is equally true (even if you only substitute the second one :D)
     
  4. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    Also, we were at that point in the show when we needed the requisite "Michael redeems and humanizes himself so the viewers can go into the next episode with him as a likable character again" moment. :D


    Nevertheless, I agree. :)
     
  5. padmalinowski

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    And yet Michael's advice was for Jim to be self-serving and destructive, just like every decision Michael makes for himself, so in a weird way it's consistent with the characterization. It was definitely an unexpected moment of depth for this show.
     
  6. jrinck

    jrinck Certified Neurotic

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    June 10th is my anniversary, too!

    And Michael's romance advice was peppered with "You do know that I made out with Jan?", so he's not that much of a sage.

    :D
     
  7. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

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    I am starting to love this show in a way I never thought I would. I'm upset about the loss of AD, but this show is beginning to fill the void very quickly. Earl and Chris are good, but it's The Office that I look forward to most every week, in terms of comedies.

    Absolutely. The Office UK is one of my favorite shows of all time, and I never thought I would like this one half as much, but it's coming very close. And Jim and Pam are the main reason. Both actors are stellar and Jim's reaction shots are the funniest part of the entire show. I loved Tim and Dawn, but Jim and Pam are a million times cuter.

    And while I don't like Michael as I liked David Brent because Michael is much more of an ass while David was more pathetic and earned more sympathy . . . in this episode I had to applaud Michael when he said "Engaged?? BFD!" His advice was spot on to Jim. I only hope Jim doesn't regret telling Michael later, but I'm thinking Michael is going to end up embarassing Jim about the whole Pam thing.

    I still love Pam, but it's hard to understand how she could want to marry that oaf, let alone wait around three years for him to commit. Especially when she spends every day with Jim, who's unbelievably adorable. She has to know that Jim has feelings for her. (I know they have to keep Jim and Pam apart for the story to work, but they need to make her fiance a little more appealing for it to be more believable imho).
     
  8. jschuur

    jschuur TV-holic, improving

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    I have a theory about Pam and Roy. Roy actually had the guts to make a move, whereas Jim can't seem to break the friends zone.

    Jim has shown time and time again that even when there is a moment, he just stalls. It happened again when the two were on the upper deck on the boat!
     
  9. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

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    That was a great (painful) moment, but I couldn't make up my mind: Is Pam secretly hoping that Jim will finally express his feelings? Or is she saying to herself, "Please, Jim, don't say something that will make things awkward for both of us"? I don't know what Pam wants Jim to do. She's the one who's engaged.

    Jim has to give a hint to Pam about his feelings and let her know that if she dumped the oaf, he'd "be there" for her (a la seinfeld), but on the other hand, if Pam rejects him (/a la Tim's "she said no, by the way"), Jim doesn't want things to be awkward for them afterwards since they work together every day. He's in a no win situation there, so I can understand why he just froze up when the moment presented itself.
     
  10. JETarpon

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    "I'm on medication."
    "Really? What?"
    "Vomicilain."
     
  11. jschuur

    jschuur TV-holic, improving

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    2 thoughts:

    - Roy's comment about 'The first one (engagement) didn't count' was extremely revealing. Pam should be furious!
    - Jim turned a job down once because it would mean leaving Pam. If it gets too awkward, he'd have no trouble leaving.
     
  12. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

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    But does Pam even know that Roy said that? I thought he just said that to Michael, perhaps out of earshot of Pam. Did I miss something?
     
  13. SnakeEyes

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    Perhaps the move may pay off?

    “Office” posted a 4.5 overnight rating among viewers 18-49, a season high, holding 87 percent of “Earl’s” audience, also a season high. The 4.5 is a 15 percent jump over the 3.9 overnight rating it averaged through 10 episodes this season on Tuesday nights.

    “Office” also bettered its season-long retention rate out of “Earl,” 71 percent, significantly. The two shows moved from the Tuesday 9 p.m. hour to Thursday at 9 p.m. for the first time last night.

    “Earl,” meanwhile, came in slightly below its 5.5 season-to-date average, posting a 5.2 in the 9p.m. timeslot. But both “Earl” and “Office’s” ratings are even more impressive considering they aired head-to-head with an original episode of CBS’s “CSI,” which averaged a 9.3 overnight rating among 18-49s.

    “Office” had a successful Thursday-night premiere last March but struggled mightily on Tuesdays until “Earl” rescued it last fall. Still, many media people felt the show had underperformed with such a strong lead-out.

    With last night’s showing, “Office” finally delivered on the potential that NBC saw in it by keeping the critical hit around despite dismally low numbers last spring. Should it remain strong, “Office” will be one of the most impressive turnaround stories in recent years.

    Even better for NBC, new show “Four Kings,” which aired at 8:30 p.m., did quite well despite bad reviews, building on its “Will & Grace” lead-in and bettering the latter’s season-long average in the timeslot with a 4.2 rating. “Grace” now leads off the night.
     
  14. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I actually think he's in a no-lose scenario.

    He hates his job. We've seen indications that he could easily get a better job with better money that he'd enjoy. The only reason he doesn't make the jump is to saty around Pam.

    If he "goes for it" and gets shot down, he no longer has that yoke around his neck and he go get a better job and vastly improve his life.

    If he "goes for it" and gets it, he'll have the girl of his dreams and thus vastly improve his life.

    A game-theoretician would look at all the possible outcomes from all the possible actions and determine that going for it can only yield net-positive results, while not going for it has, at best, a slight shot at a positive outcome versus a high likelehood of maintaining the status quo.

    Sounds like a no-brainer.

    Unless, that is, Jim values staying at a crummy job and pining for a friend he can never have higher than having a good job and good money but no friendship with Pam. Having been more or less in his shoes before, I can say I'd understand if that were the case, but he'll look back someday and wonder what the hell was he thinking.
     
  15. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

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    Ah, there you have it in a nutshell. Jim values his day to day interactions with Pam a lot, and he's obviously been pining away for her for quite a long time now. (Do we know if they knew each other before she got engaged? I'm not sure.) I think Jim (like Tim before him) fears losing the status quo because Pam is the best thing in his life right now. I'm not sure how quickly he'd want to move away and move on with his life, even if Pam marries Roy. It's pathetic, but I sort of understand it anyway.

    I think that this (non) romance between Jim and Pam is one of the most touching, well-written and acted romantic relationships on any show, and this is supposed to be a zany sitcom. I felt the same way about Tim and Dawn -- the sweetness of their story is what made The Office UK truly special, beyond the wacky hijinks of David and Gareth.
     
  16. jschuur

    jschuur TV-holic, improving

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    Perhaps she wants Jim to give her a reason to break up with Roy? She needs to know for sure that he likes her romantically, even though it's obvious to us, the viewer.

    She may just not like the thought of being single if Roy falls through.

    The documentary team needs to jump in here and cut a special reel with all the Jim/Pam moments to make a point ;)
     
  17. Magnolia88

    Magnolia88 She likes cheese.

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    I understand that completely, but she's the one who's engaged. All she has to do is hint around to Jim that she likes him, that she's got cold feet because she has feelings for someone else, yadda yadda yadda and really open the door wide for Jim (so to speak) to walk through. Pam doesn't have to worry about being rejected like Jim does, because she has Roy. If Jim doesn't respond in kind, she can laugh it off more easily and say, "just silly cold feet" or something.

    I'm not sure if Pam was trying to do that on the boat (er, ship), but she was too vague and ambiguous for Jim to know what she wanted. He's the one taking the bigger risk (at least in his mind). If she really wants to know how he feels about her, she needs to be the one to put her cards on the table imho. I think it's sort of cruel for her to string him along, even though I totally understand it and I've sort of been there before.

    And of course, if either one of them ever made a move, the story would be ruined for our viewing pleasure because it's watching Jim go through all this agony that is so entertaining as a viewer. At least for me. So the writers want to keep it going as long as possible. Tim didn't confess his true feelings to Dawn until the very end, but of course The Office UK had such a short run, by U.S. standards.
     
  18. jschuur

    jschuur TV-holic, improving

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    What we said about Jim being afraid of losing Pam even as a friend if he decided to make a move works the other way around too: If Pam sends stronger signals and Jim shoots her down (she may think she only sees that Jim wants more because she's deep inside, she's looking for alternatives to Roy), she's 'stuck' with Roy all by herself now (or the prospect of 'getting out there again').

    The irony is that the thing which is keeping both from acting (not wanting to lose the other) is exactly what makes them so good for eachother.

    If the writers for the show ever read these threads, they ought to be mighty stoked that we're discussing this in such detail. Discussing... obsessing... same difference ;)
     
  19. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    If the writers ever read these threads, I'm almost certain they'd say, "Wow! These guys are reading a lot deeper into this stuff than we were when we were writing it!" :D
     
  20. mdsutherland

    mdsutherland Act Accordingly

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    I have never scene Undeclared so the vending machine bit was new to me and I loved it. Here I have some nickels!!
     

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