The New Tivo Bolt is Junk!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Jklapp, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    As I said previously, you’re misplacing fault. But do please continue to rely on TiVo Support’s claims over those posted by members of this forum.

    p.s. The error of your and TiVo Support’s statement Re: transfers, and how the transfer issue can be remedied, has already been explained in an earlier post.
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  2. KevTech

    KevTech Active Member

    Apr 15, 2014
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  3. chicagobrownblue

    chicagobrownblue Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Comcast has smart resume if you fast forward over a commercial. Only a few shows have had this but I'm not watching as much in the summer.
  4. Joe3

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    I heard this statement before and I find it fascinating.

    We don't normally say when we buy a car, I understand a Chevy 2003 is an old machine, therefore, I can't expect GM to develop new tech around old tech for a brand new Chevy.

    Therefore, I have to accept the fact that it's missing a few things like a tire, a couple of bolts here in there maybe even a steering wheel. It's perfectly fine, technology changes. We don't say this because the underlying technology old or new should not change the functionality of a device.

    The series 3 for instance was a DVR with the functionality of offering OTA and cable television in one seamless function. Series 3 also produced the best quality HD. The series 3 also produced transfers back-and-forth from each device or computer and indeed had developed an application that allows you to do this easily. They also had a convenient function when it came to Podcasts. The podcast would conveniently show up in the now showing portion of the TiVo once you choose the podcast it would just appear in your now showings. No running to this community for answers no talking to someone in a foreign language or with someone who has English as a second language and is simultaneously work for other companies no calling up TiVo in a huff. It just happened because it just worked. And if they were any problems it would most times be due to the cable card and the cable companies ignorance of the law. Only a few short years ago cable companies ignorance of the law was not an incentive for TiVo to jump into bed with them like some crazy whore as soon the ownership changed.

    Technology and supposed new technology is an excuse, but not a fact for these TiVo DVR functionalities to be taken away or indeed any functionality of any past TiVo that worked and could be carried forward today. It's not like a car radio, just because FM came along they didn't throw out a.m. because satellite came along they didn't throw out FM because streaming came along they did not throw out satellite radio. And technology is not a hindrance to integrating OTA and streaming and cable into one functionally working guide and device. This company does not have to change past functionalities to add new features and indeed grow their product. It is the ignorance of bad management decisions and who has one last chance to make it right with a product that encompasses all functionality from past to present to future.
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  5. Jklapp

    Jklapp New Member

    Jul 29, 2019
    Ooops... I somehow missed that post... But BINGO!! I got it downgraded and the interface works... Thank you! :) What's really sad is tech support never explained anything and simply said this can not be done... But again, Thank You So Much - You're Awesome! :)
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  6. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    As I said, you were misdirecting fault. (i.e. It is the general opinion that TiVo Support is not helpful for most issues.)

    Glad you have the transfers working.
  7. Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

    Nov 9, 2000
    I find it hard to believe anyone would be waiting for anything as it's more than clear the direction TiVo has taken which certainly includes the comprehension of the feedback they receive daily.
  8. WVZR1

    WVZR1 Active Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    The WV...
    I'd guess you 'MAYBE' didn't give them a chance! You 'entered' with a statement that you actually can't validate. You might have maybe just asked for 'help'. It ain't 'junk' unless you gave it the Hillary Clinton hammer treatment. That would for sure create and validate maybe a 'junk' comment!!!

    How did you come by the purchase? A walk-in @ retailer? Use one of your 3-Series for an 'upgrade' path? OR ...............?
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  9. tapokata

    tapokata Active Member

    Apr 26, 2017
    Sacramento, CA
    I owned two series 3 HD units, and boy do I miss the features that technology offered, and I'm still mad that TiVo didn't carry forward into the junky Bolts that replaced them, such as:

    a.) Amazon Unbox downloads, where you rent a time-destructive copy of a movie, watch sometime after the couple of hour window it took to download via the 802.11b wifi connection, and then have it disappear. Worked great. Until, of course, it no longer did.

    b.) Netflix streaming, but luckily no support for those annoying users profiles or customized content suggestions and watched list.

    c.) Let's not forget about how well VUDU worked on the series 3! oh... wait....

    d.) Two tuners! Why would you ever need more? You can only watch one at a time. Watch one... record the other. Easy to keep track of.

    e.) Need to share the series 3 recorded content with another TV on your network? No problem- just connect a mini. oh... wait... just connect another series 3 box, and wait for that movie you want to watch to transfer overnight- you can catch it tomorrow from the other room.

    f.) A large over-sized set top box- with easy access, which was especially useful to access the power supply board, so that you could remove and replace the bulging capacitors, or when it came time to update that 20 HD Hour drive. Not a lot of that plastic crap, either!

    TiVo should take a page from the Auto industry. When a feature is added to a car, it's never removed. The cigarette lighter is still in use today, along with the rumble seat, drum brakes, and bias-ply tires. Those are the features that real car drivers want- not all those other so-called improvements.

    Hopefully, when the Series7 DVR's come out, TiVo will wake up and smell the coffee by then, and give us back what worked, so I can get rid of this fancy-pants Bolt junk!
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  10. Davelnlr_

    Davelnlr_ N5GGG

    Jan 12, 2011
    Well, the oversized set top box wasn't so bad. At least it allowed the unit to stay cool which prevented me from having to replace 3 boxes with overheated hard drives, and purchase a cooling unit for it so I didn't have to go through Bolt #4. :) I am keeping the old TivoHD, so if THIS #4 Bolt drive goes out, I can just move the board and new drive into the old HD case with a real fan.
  11. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006

    or better yer the broadcast station just like the cable companies should have to alert Tivo to channel/frequency changes
  12. Joe3

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    Yes, because it is basically common sense for any smart and successful company to not ignore their customer feedback.

    Fingers crossed.:up:
  13. pdhenry

    pdhenry Recumbent

    Feb 27, 2005
    It was FCC-directed. The info was available to anyone whose business it was to correlate channels and programming.
  14. marcv

    marcv Member

    Dec 1, 2015
    Ok letting you know Comcast has commercial skip right now. I have an X1 box and all the major network stations have commercial skip working right now. More networks to be added soon I'm told too. Good news too...we are not dead.
  15. compnurd

    compnurd Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2011
    Your talking about Smart Resume.. Not the Same
  16. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Aug 21, 2002
    New York...
    Many new cars ARE missing a tire: the spare tire, having been replaced by run flat tires. You don't expect there to be well in the trunk for a spare, when the car never had one, do you?
    You don't expect the floor-mats from a 2003 chevy to fit a 2019 do you?
    You don't expect to listen to Sirius/XM in the 2003 Chevy just because your 2019 Chevy came with that feature, do you?

    You don't expect to run a Windows XP disk utility under Windows 10, do you?
    You don't expect Microsoft to support add-in cards from 13 years ago, do you?

    These are examples of technology changing, and in some cases, removing functionality. They are analogous to expecting Tivo to support, in new products, features found in old products that have been discontinued.
  17. marcv

    marcv Member

    Dec 1, 2015

    How so? Tivo I hit the button it skips. X1 I fast forward highest speed and it auto stops after last commercial ends as well. Really not much difference. I believe the fast forward and stop is because one button skip could be a tivo patent so fast forward with auto stop is workaround. Basically same and both accurate and fast.
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  18. trip1eX

    trip1eX Well-Known Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    not having a method in place to seamlessly transfer recordings from old machine to new machine seems like a basic 101 features to have to attract current customers to upgrade.

    ...although personally it would not bug me because it's just tv to me. I usually watch stuff in a timely manner and 99% of what is there unwatched after ~1 month never gets watched. :) I suspect i'm more the average customer in that dept.
  19. schatham

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007

    The difference is X1 ff skip are few and far between. I've seen it twice so far. Tivo skip is on most shows. Also the 2 do not compare. One is instant the other is not.
  20. marcv

    marcv Member

    Dec 1, 2015
    I own 8 tivo's and one X1 box. Yes they are not EXACT in function but close enough that the use case is nearly identical. I just have to hit FF button a few more times on X1 to go to lightning mode. X1 supports many networks and prime time shows. I have not done a head to head compare but alot of the major networks are now supported on X1 for popular shows. They claim they will be adding more.

    I just got an offer from Tivo to upgrade but reasons not to for me comes down to the new interface more than anything. I've been a tivo user since the very first model. Always have about 6 to 10 tivo's at any given time in my home and have upgraded along the many years. I love the offer today where I can xfer my lifetime passes (all my boxes are lifetime) but just cannot live with the new interface. I mistakenly upgraded one of my Tivo's and just don't like what they have done at all. Usability has gone down IMHO. So if they were selling new ones with parallel classic and new interface development paths and you could choose I'd buy at least 2 upgraded bolt's today. But such is not the case.

    X1 seems pretty good. The only thing I really miss on X1 is the speedup feature tivo has. I watch most of my shows now at higher speed and can get thru things much faster. The commercial skip on X1 is fine for 90% of the stuff I watch. I feel abandoned by tivo with the "modern interface" they have settled upon. It's why the first X1 has entered my home and I can say I'm not totally disappointed in it when comparing it to the latest tivo offering. I still love my older classic interface tivo's more than the X1 and the current tivo so will hold onto those until they kick the bucket.
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