The New Tivo Android App

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by rboutin2, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    I'm not that familiar with the official app (I gave up on it because it only pretended to work on my phone), but as the author of a TiVo remote app that scans at launch, I have to stand up for scanning. :) See, unless you go to the trouble to give your TiVos static IPs, they get their addresses via DHCP. That means their addresses can and do change. So if you just cache the last-used address, you're liable to fail to connect at the next launch, or even to connect to the wrong TiVo. (I've seen both of these with non-scanning apps.) And that's just if you don't scan at startup... if you don't scan at all (like lots of remote apps), you force the user to find and enter an IP address. That sucks.

    Of course, some apps do scanning better than others. Mine only takes a couple of seconds, and doesn't put up a display until it's done, at which point you get a list of TiVos to choose from. This isn't perfect, either; sometimes one or more TiVos is missed. It might work a little better if I extended the delay, but then startup takes that much longer.
     
  2. lpwcomp

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    Could you elaborate on the "new features"? Unless you're talking about the annoying pop-up prompting for the MAK (which it displays) every time I switch TiVos, assuming of course it doesn't just "Search" for a few seconds and then display "No results found".

    I'm sorry, but I find it less capable than the official app. Examples - no Guide and no ability to do remote scheduling for a non-Premiere. This is on an AT&T HTC One X running Android version 4.0.3

    Edit: remote scheduling doesn't seem to work. It givee me a message that a confirmation e-mail will be sent but I never get one nor is the recording scheduled.

    Edit2: Finally did get the confirmation message and it is recording.
     
  3. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Sorry, I don't have a changelist :( The main screen is different, the convenience remote on the now showing is new, the shuttle is new, I believe the to do list is new as is the season pass manager. I have been looking at the new version so long now through the beta, I forgot what is new.

    I only have one TiVo, so never have any problem. I don't know the behavior with multiples.

    Ooops, you are right about no guide, I should have mentioned that. You CAN search for programs but not see a grid-like guide.
     
  4. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Try it and see what you think. I didn't say/mean it didn't scan the network at all, but that there is no insanely long and tedious "scanning crap" every time you start the app like there is with the "official app". It does scan, and apparently connects based on the media key that you provide (and it remembers). As I said in the previous post, I have no idea how it reacts or works with multiple tivos.

    I do think it does a nearly instant scan, but even so I will point out that-

    1) My Premiere *is* set to a static address
    2) Even if the Premiere is DHCP, you can still assign it a fixed address in the DHCP server.
    3) Even if it is 100% dynamic, a quality DHCP server will attempt to assign the same address over and over again to the same equipment, if the pool is of reasonable size.
     
  5. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    It is getting better.I was going to use my Titanium Backup to see what all the changes are.

    What is the shuttle? I was going to say one thing missing on the now showing progress meter is the ability zip anywhere in the program like the TiVo App
     
  6. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    I wished that it wouldn't display my PyTiVo shares, has TiVos.
     
  7. malverde

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    They need to get streaming working... this is nuts.

    Who does their development?
     
  8. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I was calling that progress meter thing the shuttle, but I guess it isn't :)
    It IS tempting to think it is a control and try to use it to zoom around, but it is look-only.

    I don't understand what you mean.
     
  9. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    In Settings, it shows shared folders from my Computer along with actual TiVos , just like the bottom of Now Playing on a TiVo.
     
  10. windracer

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    I couldn't get the new version to detect my Premiere. I tried putting in the IP address, the TSN, etc. but it never connected (regular TiVo app works fine) even though I'm on the same WiFi network (although technically my TiVos are on MoCA, but it's all the same network).
     
  11. minimeh

    minimeh Vanity Phrase Here

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    Do you have TiVo desktop server running on the laptop? There was a bug that was fixed that showed TiVo desktop servers as TiVos. If you pause TiVo desktop server and then rescan it your laptop entry will go away.

    This was fixed in a beta version. I don't know if that has made its way to the Play Store yet.
     
  12. wmcbrine

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    No, he said he was running pyTivo. Of course the same issue would probably apply (depending on how the app is looking for TiVos).
     
  13. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    I can pause the PyTiVo service then do a Refresh and it is gone, however has soon has I rerun PyTiVo and go to DVR Commander setting to pick a DVR they show.

    You get the same !symbol/got problem msg has if you tried to use a non S4 premiere and the costume setting won't do it cause the setting it will show are for the last good/current connection to a premiere.
     
  14. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Ah! OK... Yes, my computer shows in the list of TiVos too. I didn't realize that or just didn't pay attention to it. Has an exclamation point in a triangle next to it.
     
  15. lpwcomp

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    Is the appearance of the shares possibly the result of using the new zeroconf beacon. It's disabled in mine (Some of my TiVos are onlyh allowed to access specific shares), and I do not see the shares in DVR commander.
     
  16. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    There are several different services that TiVos announce via Zeroconf. The only one that pyTivo has in common with them is "_tivo-videos". For controlling a TiVo, I'd be looking for "_tivo-remote" (old-style "Crestron" interface) or "_tivo-mindrpc" (new "iPad" interface). But, I don't know exactly what DVR Commander is going for here.

    Of course you can easily filter out pyTivo shares from TiVos even if you grab _tivo-videos. You just have to look for a TSN (pyTivo shares don't have one), or look at the "platform".
     

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