The Good Place | S04E12 | OAD 1/23/2020 | "Patty" | *Spoilers*

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  1. dianebrat

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    I wouldn't put it past them to have this be the last show in their normal format with a "normal" storyline approach, then the finale is something barely related but very impressive.
     
  2. Family

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    Does anyone know if they knew how it would end from season 1?
     
  3. cmontyburns

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    With the two-part finale a week away, the title of the episode (presumably "part 1" and "part 2") is out there. I did not know what it was until MEJ said it on the podcast episode this week. I'm not going to say the title but I will say my reaction was:

    Just hearing the title put a lump in my throat.
     
  4. madscientist

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    If you don't want to be spoiled I recommend not reading the title of the finale. I mean, maybe they're trying to trick us but...

    I guess I don't agree with that. Sure, they fixed the apportioning so that it wasn't actually impossible to get into the Good Place anymore, but more importantly they changed the entire concept and focus of the Bad Place from straightforward never-ending torture, into using uncomfortable/bad/(maybe even torturous) experiences designed to give everyone a chance everyone to grow into better people. No more butthole spiders or penis flatteners (not censored?). To me, that makes it fixed.
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

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  6. Anubys

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    My daughter accused me of having written this episode. I've gone on many rants about how heaven cannot work as explained to us. If everyone wins, how do you play a game?

    Heck, if you win every game, why play?

    I always said that heaven sounds like the most boring place ever. I would stand on a cloud and hang myself with my harp's strings :D
     
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  7. Rob Helmerichs

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    Have you seen Bedazzled (the original)? I did decades ago, and the only thing I remember about it is Peter Cook as the Devil explaining to Dudley Moore why he rebelled (because Heaven was so boring).
     
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    If no one has gone to the good place in however many eons, and Chidi & Co. were the first since then, those others in the good place have been there for eons with nothing changing -- no new people. So of course it's got problems; they need to give it time now that new people will go there then see if there remain issues to fix.
     
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  9. trainman

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    I'm sure I could kill a few thousand years, at least, making use of the Green Doors to explore every fictional universe I can think of.
     
  10. cmontyburns

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    You guys are right. Back when they were pitching the new system, Chidi said of the tests, "And some people will never pass." That hit me in the moment as, "... and they will therefore go to the Bad Place", and I've been carrying around that thought since. But that's obviously not right, on reflection.
     
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    I still have a faded photocopy of an article I came across (maybe 40 years ago) that discussed the idea of Heaven from an economist's perspective, but this is from memory. (Where is that copy?).

    The traditional view is that you live in Heaven forever doing everything your heart desires. This, however, ignores opportunity costs. Doing one thing, say playing the cello, means you must forgo the opportunity to do other things, like fly through the clouds, feast on ambrosia and nectar, paint, romance your beloved, etc. This narrow Heaven stretches to infinity. To avoid this opportunity cost, the writer proposed that there must be an infinite number of parallel tracks in Heaven where you can be doing everything your heart desires all at the same time.

    But this makes the infinite duration of Heaven unnecessary. If at the same time you can pick up the bow, sit down with your cello and play every note of every bit of music all at once, and even again and again, while you do every other step of every other thing your heart desires (fly through this cloud, that cloud and every other cloud, e.g.) there is no need for Heaven to extend through infinite time. Instead, it should be an instantaneous burst of every thing you desire. Infinitely short but infinitely wide.
     
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    Then let me remind you of Raquel Welch's role as Lust. That's what I remember!
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, you would think. But all I can see is Peter Cook perched on the mailbox, making Dudley Moore sing his praises!
     
  14. Amnesia

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    The whole idea of opportunity costs is that you're using a resource (say "time") and therefore you can't use that resource for anything else. But if time in heaven is infinite, then I don't think the argument has any merit. Yes, you can play the cello for 20 years straight and while doing so you're not surfing with Scooby-Doo, but you can choose to spend the next 20 years surfing and then 20 years riding a unicycle, etc...
     
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  15. trainman

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    As depicted in "The Good Place," the afterlife is a place of unlimited resources, so economic models involving scarcity don't apply.
     
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    But if you are in an infinitely time-long single track Heaven, you are the scarce resource. In an infinitely wide (parallel tracks) one, you are no longer the scarce resource.
     
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    Great. So I would be bored instantly, then!

    OTOH, go carts with monkeys does have a very strong appeal.
     
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  18. jebbbz

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    But only for an instant.
     
  19. ej42137

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    She was only in the movie for 7 minutes, but those were seven memorable moments!

    The non-Welch scene that I remember is Moore realizing he's a nun and female, and without pausing a beat, blowing the raspberry to end his life/wish. The timing of that scene was memorable. (Actually, Raquel was in that scene but since she was wearing a nun's habit she could be ignored.)

    One of the trivia items in IMDB says one of the original titles for the film was "Raquel Welch", so that the theater marquees would read "Peter Cook and Dudley Moore in Raquel Welch".​
     
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  20. Anubys

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    Julie Andrewwwws! ;)
     

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