The Free Space Indicator Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Suggestion Avenue' started by Samsara, Jan 12, 2002.

How Important is This to You?

  1. It's so important that I'd pay extra for it.

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    9.1%
  2. It's important but I wouldn't pay extra for it.

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    75.5%
  3. Not important, but I'd probably use it if it was free.

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    12.7%
  4. I'd probably never use it one way or the other.

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  1. HTH

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    My apologies. The browser on the ProGear LX didn't defaults to such a tiny font size, I must have missed it despite looking to make sure I wasn't being redundant. :eek:

    And I'm particularly embarassed about that inappropriate apostrophe. :eek:

    Still, I expect my comment about selection bias to stand independent of the sample size. :)
     
  2. pauly666

    pauly666 New Member

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    Just gimme a "percentage used" indicator.

    To answer the next persons question, "Does that include Suggestions that TiVo has recorded?" I answer, "Is it using my hard disk space? Yes? Then..."

    Just gimme a "percentage used" indicator.

    If, after delivering that, TiVo decides to get more ambitious, great, add extra screens somewhere that give more details. But, for now:

    Just gimme a "percentage used" indicator.

    Please, please, please!

    If you don't know what a percentage is, go and get your high school diploma; I'm amazed you even know how set up a Season Pass.
     
  3. vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    Now WHY would you want (Need) it to include Suggestions? For all intents and purposes, in effect they DO NOT take up any Storage Space.

    As far as determining AVAILABLE space after seeing the figure for "percentage used", suggestions do not infringe on A/S since that space is continuously and freely available for any immediate and/or future recordings.

    If anything, better it should include the TDL. Actually an indicator showing both would be even better.
     
  4. Aug 9, 2002 #104 of 297
    pauly666

    pauly666 New Member

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    So I can decide if I want to keep my recorded suggestion, and do a save until... or let TiVo delete it as needed.

    It's not hard - if its on my hard disk, tell me what percentage of space I have used/left.
     
  5. gjtaylor

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    They already tell you the capacity for the Tivo in each of the available quality settings, why not just put in parenthesis behind that the amount that is currently free at each of those settings? If they are worried about a disclaimer, then simple make it one menu item deaper with the disclaimer shown before getting the the page that shows you the remaining free space.
     
  6. vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    Good Idea gttaylor!
    A "Fresh" "New" Wrinkle (As far as how they should display it). And from a "Newbie" to this forum.

    Now if TiVo would just provide it?

    ;)
     
  7. gjtaylor

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    Those are the ways that I came up with to implement the suggestion. I figgure you have to do more than just complain about it not being there. how I would implement the option if I were writing the function. I've been asking for a "Power Toys" version for quite a while, but just recently discovered this board.
     
  8. vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    Your being new to this board, you are probably not aware of the numerous request (suggestions) made on this subject. None of which have produced any results from TiVo. My prior response to you was just commenting on your suggested way to implement a form of FSI as being one I haven't seen before..

    Unfortunately, I wouldn't put too much hope in seeing any results:mad:
     
  9. BrettStah

    BrettStah Well-Known Member TCF Club

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  10. vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    "Quickly"???

    That was almost a year ago. I even forgot what I wrote in that thread.
    See what happens when you get on in age:mad: ;)

    I haven't been as active on this subject as in the past. Mainly because of my pessimism & frustration with the realism that "it ain't gonna happen"
     
  11. kchristensen

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    And two months later, here's another off the wall suggestion about the free space indicator.

    Everyone has watched the weather report where they give their 5 day forecast or their 7 day forecast. Have TiVo do the same thing for space utilization. Nobody expects the weather report to be 100% accurate. In fact, we're glad if they can get the current day right so we know if we should take a coat, or an umbrella. If they're wrong, we joke about how nice it must be to get paid to be wrong so often.

    So, what's the likelihood that I'll be able to record programs all week? Is there something I should do this weekend to prevent problems during the week?
     
  12. Hunter Green

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    Hey, that's a good idea.
     
  13. TreborPugly

    TreborPugly Unreal!

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    Yes, folks, Monday looks like a record Recording day! The forecast calls for 14 hours of new recordings!

    The Recording will slow down on Tuesday, with only 5 hours expected, but it looks like 4 hours of programing will be deleted so you better take your SUID's out of the closet...

    And for those of you with special plans this weekend, look out! It looks like we're in for a big clash between Season pass items and SUID's, and something's gotta go, or we'll just have to skip recording some of your favorite shows
     
  14. Jan 3, 2003 #114 of 297
    mmcowan

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    It is truly sad that TiVo hasn't put this feature in. This is a no-brainer, super simple thing to add. I'm sure that one of their programmers could whip this out in a couple of hours. Heck, I'll drive up to Alviso and do it for them. :)

    Perhaps they're worried about support calls? I bet they get more support calls now from people wondering how to find out how much drive space they have left!

    "On Windows, I just double-click on 'My Computer' and it's right there, but I can't seem to find it on my Tivo. Please help me find it."

    Like everyone has said here, this doesn't have to be complicated. We don't need (but many would like) a full statistical breakdown of all of the data on the disk, but just percentages of "user programs", "TiVo suggestions" and "unused space". C'mon already.

    Perhaps something like:
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  15. Jan 3, 2003 #115 of 297
    BrettStah

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    mmcowan, you're right... one of Tivo's programmers could easily whip it out quickly. So the question is why they haven't?

    My belief is that the Tivo developers feel that current free space is not, by itself, that helpful to most Tivo users, and could in fact cause confusion for some Tivo users.

    Here's one example... let's say your pie chart pops up on my Tivo tomorrow morning.

    My wife sees it first, and thinks "Cool, 12% free - I'll schedule that 4 movie marathon of Sean Connery movies that starts tonight... there's plenty of room to fit them without losing anything already recorded."

    A couple of hours later, I happen to be in front of the TV, and see the same exact pie chart (since nothing has recorded since my wife's actions). I say, "Cool! I'll schedule a few basketball games coming on today... there's plenty of room to fit them without losing anything already recorded."

    The next day, we find out that 5 hours of previously recorded shows were deleted in order to fit the basketball games and Sean Connery movies.

    So what went wrong? We looked at the _current_ free space and made assumptions on it (pretty logical, since that works well for PCs right?) However, without taking into account scheduled recordings (aka To Do List) it's not always safe to make these assumptions.

    Now, what if Tivo decided to provide us with a simple indicator that would say something like this:

    Your Tivo will need to delete one or more shows on Monday 1/6 at 10:00 AM to make room for new recordings.

    And as you add new things to be recorded, and delete existing recordings from Now Playing, that indicator will be updated accordingly.

    Personally, I think that it is possible (from a hardware perspective) to not only provide a single indicator like this, but to actually do this for each recording in Now Playing not marked with the green dot (save until I delete). So you'd see: This show will be deleted on Friday, 2/6 at 8:00 PM to make room for 'The Sopranos'. Others disagree though. :)
     
  16. Jan 4, 2003 #116 of 297
    Endless

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    Tivo already provides the feature of telling you when a program will need to be deleted earlier than it is already scheduled to be deleted.

    To make it more descriptive the pie chart could use the 5 tivo recording states
    1> New recording,
    2> old recording
    3> can be deleted recording (! recording)
    4> until I delete recording
    5> tivo suggestion recording
    and a 6th
    6> free space
    Only showing those that are in use on a given machine.


    The usage indicator feature is present on Ultimate TV, and they just kept it simple, a color coded bar with the usage/free space.


    The discouraging thing about this thread is no indiciation of any direction on this. Yes we're working on, or no we're not because of X. If there was an X we could respond with suggestions.


    For those with 80hr units, or upgraded units knowing how close you are to full is very useful. The indicator you can get by enabling suggestions to be recorded is a little lame, if I let tivo record a bunch of suggestions til the tivo is full, the menu speed gets insanely slow. And then when you do get the point to a full tivo, you're stuck counting 80+ shows to know if you're close.

    Of course another solution to this would be for Tivo to keep the time that a program is estimated to be deleted. Right now you get 'can be deleted after this date' but there is nothing on there that says this will be deleted at 8pm 1/3/03 as competitive products also have. (they have their own limitation that that time data sometimes takes a few minutes to update if you make large changes to a todo list)
     
  17. Jan 4, 2003 #117 of 297
    BrettStah

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    mmcowan, I forgot to take into account the suggestions with your pie chart. Most of the time my free space is close to 0%, and so I tend to equate free space with suggestions in my head. But I think my examples still hold true.
     
  18. Jan 4, 2003 #118 of 297
    dpsjolly

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    Come on Tivo - lets do it.
     
  19. Jan 4, 2003 #119 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    Very Simple!!!

    Take "Suggestions" out of the Pie Chart and replace with "Committed" IOW ...the TDL Programs.
     
  20. Jan 4, 2003 #120 of 297
    BrettStah

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    Paul, if you did that, wouldn't "Committed" almost always completely take up all available space over time?
     

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