The Free Space Indicator Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Suggestion Avenue' started by Samsara, Jan 12, 2002.

How Important is This to You?

  1. It's so important that I'd pay extra for it.

    158 vote(s)
    9.1%
  2. It's important but I wouldn't pay extra for it.

    1,307 vote(s)
    75.5%
  3. Not important, but I'd probably use it if it was free.

    219 vote(s)
    12.7%
  4. I'd probably never use it one way or the other.

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    2.7%
  1. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    some people (no names mentioned), have hundreds of hours of programming and regularly run against limits of hard drive space....even when they have 2 tivos and 750 gigs of space....just imagine going away for a 3 day weekend and having all that HD pile up unwatched. It's a pain to calculate hours on suggestions to see what space you have left
     
  2. ps56k

    ps56k New Member

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    FSI - yeah, not complex, just a bar graph of % spaced used...
    Even with all the variables of recording quality vs number of upcoming scheduled shows and everything else that would act as a speed bump - a simple graph would let you know if "in general" you have some space for recording.... or are getting low.

    BTW - if these are suggestions - how do we actually contact TiVo and fill up there "inbox" with these suggestions ?
     
  3. pldoolittle

    pldoolittle Tivo'ing since 2001

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    Yes, but it lets you know by failing to record your favorite program. You know, the one that ran while you were out for the evening...

    Actually, the purpose of the tivo depends greatly on the user. For me, it's to delay a PT show until I get home at night. For my wife, it's to keep a weeks worth until Saturday when she does her chores and has a TV marathon. For my 5 year old, it's to keep a half dozen episodes of JoJo's circus handy at all times. For my teenager...

    Anyway, cross those 4 usage patterns and you have a tivo that flirts with a full HDD on a regular basis. And a FSI would certainly help me avoid unneccessary losses.

    Cars have gas gauges for a reason....
     
  4. ps56k

    ps56k New Member

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    then try driving your car without a gas gauge or odometer and let us know how that works for ya - or looking at your computer's disk space, or iPod space, camcorder, or ... just about anything based on some "capacity" has a capacity telling gauge.
     
  5. Nov 1, 2006 #285 of 297
    bidger

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    Absolutely! That's why some of choose to expand our TiVos, to allow for a bit of archiving. I've used them to store a season of "The Sopranos" until it came out on DVD. And then there are shows like "Cheap Seats" which I don't ever expect to see on DVD.

    I don't use or want Suggestions, I just want to know when I'm running out of space with the unit without having to tally the hours accumulated in the box myself.
     
  6. Nov 1, 2006 #286 of 297
    newsposter

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    it's even more fun tallying when you have HD stuff in the suggestions. I try to get as many HD suggestions as possible because then I can just use 8 hour for one show instead of adding up a bunch of smaller shows
     
  7. Nov 1, 2006 #287 of 297
    jtlytle

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    The reason why DVR from Cable company have Free space Indicator is because they use one speed for Record Quality and it is easy to calculate how much free space left.

    But for TiVo, there's four options for Record Quality : Basic, Medium, High and Best Quality. - So it is all depends on that variable, it is impossible to calcuate exactly the amount of free space available.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2006 #288 of 297
    omni555

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    Not TOTALLY accurate. When I had my cable company's DVR's, I found that the number of hours I could record before the hard drive filled up varied. Talking to a CC rep revealed the information that analog channels, digital channels, and HD channels required different amounts of space for the same one hour program (essentially, they were all of different "qualities").

    I still found the FSI that was provided with their boxes to be a very useful feature.

    What I don't understand is that the ability to do this is available but is not provided for use with the TiVo unit. I can load up the TiVoPlayList prog on my computer and see all the information (and more!) that is being asked for here. Clicking on the "View Graph" option, and selecting between "Graph Status" and "Graph Quality" views gives a wealth of information about the state of the hard drive.

    There is even a little information "hidden" in the info screen on the TiVo itself that lets you know what percentage of the HD is used by each individual recording. Would it be all that difficult to have these percentages collected together and displayed somewhere as either a simple percentage or as a graph of some sort?

    Right now, I would love to be able to open the TiVoPlayList program on the TV screen directly from my TiVo. ...IS that a possibility??? :cool:
     
  9. Dec 7, 2006 #289 of 297
    megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    Someone could implement the same functionality as an HME application, then you could.
     
  10. Dec 7, 2006 #290 of 297
    megazone

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    Note that we, pretty much anyone posting here, is NOT representative of the bulk of their userbase. TiVo has WAY more data than anyone else on just how the boxes are being used, and what kind of requests they receive. You shouldn't presume that you have magical insight into the userbase and TiVo is getting it wrong just because you're not who they aim to please.

    Yeah, think about it - you're the freak, not everyone else. So am I. The vast majority of TiVo households have one box. The largest single segment of subscribers use analog cable. And the S2DT is outselling the S2, even with the S2 being cheaper. People have been screaming for a dual-tuner TiVo since they first shipped. I have multiple, networked TiVos - and I wouldn't buy a single tuner TiVo again at this point even if they had cooperative scheduling. Coop would be nice, but dual-tuners is better.

    TiVo is going after the meat of their market - you're just not it. Neither am I.
     
  11. Dec 7, 2006 #291 of 297
    pldoolittle

    pldoolittle Tivo'ing since 2001

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    Amen. This is NOT rocket science, nor is it impossible. Quite frankly it's a relatively trivial programming task and I cannot understand why so many people insist that it will require fuzzy logic, 200 coders, and not less than 10MM lines of code. A FSI is simply a gauge of capacity used relative to total capacity. A "gas gauge" if you will.

    For example; Right now on my TivoPlayList I see:

    Now Playing - 17 Shows (16hr 44min using 42.28GB)
    TimeLeft: ~ 26hr 9min (@Best) || 42hr 1min (@High) || 55hr 13min (@Medium) || 93hr 41min (@Basic)

    Wonderful information. Now, I would like that same information located on one of my tivo menus so I don't have to get out the laptop just to make sure ER will record while I'm out for dinner tonight.
     
  12. Jan 5, 2007 #292 of 297
    bifsiff94

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    A simple bar graph at the bottom of the now playing screen that has information about used space by category, and unused space.

    Keep until I delete
    Save until space needed
    Suggestions
    Unused disk space

    For the S3, it might also be useful to see a breakdown of HD vs SD content.
     

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  13. Jan 5, 2007 #293 of 297
    BrettStah

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  14. DrASK

    DrASK Tivo user since 2001

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    I'm on page 8 trying to catch up, but when I saw this I had to comment.

    I voted that I would pay for a FSI. I wish to rescind that vote. What I want is the above. This makes perfect sense to me. Tivo needs to work harder so I don't have to. It may not be possible, but I want it.
     
  15. fractalsphere

    fractalsphere TiVo noob!

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    Well, I've read through a good deal of this thread and the only suggestion I can make is that TiVo use the data already being used on the system to compile some kind of list of free and used space on the system. I can't see where it would be that hard to grab those stats for users to see.

    If you drill into the 'information' of any particular recorded show you'll see the individual show usage stats (disk space % used and space used by that show in gigs). Why can't there be some sort of master listing (total disk space % used and total in gigs free)? I personally don't need to see how many minutes are available for recording, only how much space is free and how much I've used, but it seems to me it would be easy to calculate time left based on the free space, and just give total times available for each recording quality.

    I'm a new TiVo user (Christmas 2006) and after a season pass or two with all-day re-runs I'm suddenly finding myself with 50 recordings on there and no realistic way of knowing how soon stuff will be auto-deleted or how much I need to prune the now playing list so stuff doesn't get automatically deleted by surprise.

    It's a pain to go through and look up each show and total it together.
     
  16. juanian

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    I was thrilled when the new folder appeared which showed the deleted programs, because it lets me know at least how much space I have left at a quick glance (assuming I know how big each of the deleted programs are). (In the past, I left watched shows as exclamation points, and added up the times from that, but there were undesired side-effects using that technique.)

    At a minimum, what I would like is the following:

    1: Re-enable the sort based on expiration time. (This used to be available a few versions ago after entering the S 0 R T code.) Sorting on expiration time would easily show the next program to be deleted (but, it would not show when, which would also be nice).

    2: Update the list of deleted programs to allow page up/down to scroll between the deleted programs. (This would make it easier to add up the total deleted time; currently, each program needs to be individually selected from the list to see how much time the show consumes.)

    #1 should be easy, but (sigh) might cause too much confusion for users, which might increase customer support calls, so TiVo will probably not turn it back on.

    #2 should probably be easy to implement, but I can't be sure.

    Yes, there are other things I'd like to see implemented, but these two should be able to be implemented with "relatively" little effort (probably more time to QA the change than to make the change).

    P.S. I just helped a friend reconnect their TiVo; it was at version 7.1. After updating it to 8.1, there were some programs in the Deleted folder. So, it appears that deleted programs were being kept in an 'invisible' deleted folder as far back as 7.1!
     
  17. juanian

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    One barely related enhancement I'd like to see -- when a program is deleted because the maximum number of recordings has been met, move the show to the Deleted folder. (As of 7.3.1, if the maximum number of recordings has been met (from a Season Pass or WishList), the oldest show is completely deleted when a new show is deleted.) I don't know if this now occurs for 8.1, but I sure hope it has been 'fixed' to support this.
     

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