The Expanse Season 5 SPOILERS

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  1. Dec 31, 2020 #81 of 280
    JYoung

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    Holden, Holden, Holden,

    Saki has been all over your ship for weeks, in and out of all her systems.
    You didn't even consider the possibility that she sabotaged the Rocinate?
    Especially after she assassinated Fred Johnson by shooting him from behind?
     
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    smbaker

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    Holden is a doer, not a thinker.
     
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    cwerdna

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    It's even worse if you're starting a show cold after an entire season has aired already and many people have watched that entire season.
     
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    mr.unnatural

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    I just finished binge watching all of seasons 1 thru 4 again last night and the story flowed so much better than when I sat through it the first time. I have read the first four books in the series as well as the short novellas that were shoehorned in between. I had totally missed the segments where they inserted those brief stories into the main storyline the first time around. I found it hard to keep up with what was going on between episodes, let alone between each season, but that tends to happen with most shows I watch these days. I've watched all five current episodes of season 5 so I'm all up to date. This is probably one of the best Sci-Fi shows to come along in a long time. The cast is outstanding and they did a great job adapting the books to TV. I'll be disappointed when it ends.
     
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    or when they just shrugged off her assurances that her plans were not yet all complete as they left the prison cell.
     
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    I think I have a crush on Bobbie.

    Why didn't the bad guys spare themselves a lot of trouble and just kill the reporter?
     
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    Tony_T

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    Did they know who her source was? Maybe they wanted her alive to find out.
     
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    I've always loved the kiwi accent! :)
     
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    Ruth

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    I am SO HAPPY to have this show back. It's just fantastic.

    On the Holden issue from Ep5:
    I agree that it's completely unfathomable that Holden would not contemplate the obvious risk that Sakai sabotaged the Roci. And it's frustrating, because they could have cleaned it up super easily with a couple lines of dialogue -- like, as they are running preflight checks, having them talk about how they already swept the ship for explosives and didn't find any so they think it's safe. They could still have had all the drama, using the idea that the special code Sakai used was not detectable in the standard ways you would sweep a ship.
     
  10. Jan 4, 2021 #90 of 280
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I think from a dramatic perspective that would be less effective, because then the audience would be cued in advance that something might be up instead of it being a surprise...
     
  11. Jan 4, 2021 #91 of 280
    Ruth

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    But it was so obvious there was no possibility of surprise. To me it seemed like an absolute given, actually, and all the scene did was pull me out of my suspension of disbelief that nobody else even considered the possibility, despite it being obvious. Obviously YMMV!
     
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    smbaker

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    Potential book vs TV spoiler...

    I don't know if this was covered in the TV series, but IIRC Naomi was the one who wrote the original Gamarra virus. Inaros modified it and used it to kill a bunch of people. This may make it even harder to detect, since it would look like all sorts of other code that Naomi might have implemented on the Roci, which in turn helps the suspension of disbelief that it wasn't easily detected. The book might have set this up more naturally than it came across on TV.
     
  13. Jan 4, 2021 #93 of 280
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, one advantage of big, fat books is that you have the room to set stuff like that up...and to let it play out. Whereas screen time is precious, often to the detriment of, well, stuff like that.
     
  14. Jan 5, 2021 #94 of 280
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    That was disclosed in Season 4 Episode 5 "Oppressor"

    A lot of deep plants in Expanse lore. Naomi's kid was mentioned all the way back in Season 1, and we've heard tidbits of Amos' Baltimore history and Lydia since season 2.
     
  15. Jan 5, 2021 #95 of 280
    smbaker

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    Thanks, it's hard to keep it all straight, and to remember what I read in the book versus what I saw on the TV show.
     
  16. Jan 5, 2021 #96 of 280
    JYoung

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    And yet he figured out that the freighter Zemya was preparing to attack Tycho Station before anyone else did, including battle hardened space marines.
     
  17. Jan 5, 2021 #97 of 280
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    It is a lot to keep straight. Sometimes I hate that I've read the books- especially since the show slightly diverges with a lot of characters and plot points.

    But every now and then the show quotes the books almost verbatim, and it makes it all worth it. :cool:
     
  18. Jan 5, 2021 #98 of 280
    smbaker

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    He acted on instinct, and got it right. Holden's impulsiveness is a recurring them.

    “There was a button," Holden said. "I pushed it."
    - Holden

    "Jesus Christ. That really is how you go through life, isn't it?”
    - Fred Johnson

    And of course, my favorite:

    <something happens>
    "James !@#$ing Holden!"
    - Avasarala
     
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  19. Jan 5, 2021 #99 of 280
    JYoung

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    Sure, he's impulsive.

    Doesn't mean that it shouldn't have been a big consideration for Holden that Sakai sabotaged the Rocinante.

    In fact, it should have been instinctive for him.
     
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    Was it ever explained why that little ship has such bizarre suspended and rotating chairs?

    It almost seems like it is meant to counter-rotate if the ship goes into a very fast barrel roll so the passengers are spared the centrifugal force pulling on their head and feet. Except why would a spaceship need to go into a barrel roll other than to create artificial gravity on the inside walls, which is obviously not the case here.

    I might have guessed that it had some sort of esoteric engine that needs centrifugal force to operate efficiently, except the ship was shown accelerating at maximum and it was not rolling. Even when they were trying to maneuver to lose the missile lock, the ship did not roll, though the chairs did. For some reason the chairs leaned back when they accelerated just before ejecting the core.

    (By the way, I am talking about episode 5. I was just now watching it, since I saved it to watch back to back with episode 6)
     
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