The Expanse Season 5 SPOILERS

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  1. Feb 4, 2021 #221 of 285
    kdmorse

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    I'm going to have to rewatch having seen that scene several times. I did not get the impression the ship was destroyed. I felt the scene was just emphasizing the evil threat that inhabits the dimension that crosses the ring portals taking an interest in the ship. But others (here and elsewhere) got the feeling that it was destroyed.
     
  2. Feb 4, 2021 #222 of 285
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I think if it were not destroyed, then instead of showing it being disintegrated they would have shown it being disintegrated but still arriving at the other end...
     
  3. Feb 4, 2021 #223 of 285
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    The reason I didn't think it was destroyed is because they spent precious show minutes giving us a preview of what kind of society they were planning on creating on the other side; one that was going to be "evil" in its execution; if not in plan. So if they all die, what was the purpose of the monologue?
     
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    I think it's the fact that they have activated the technology with the protomolicule, and that is why it destroyed the ship when it tried to enter.
     
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    I just finished watching the excellent recap. Now that I understand that the ship was destroyed by the "anti-aliens" (or the tech that killed the protomolecule people), I see now that the destruction wouldn't be in vain since those people would continue on in some form (like the detective, maybe?).

    Until Amos brought Peaches on board, I had thought she was someone from his past that we're seeing for the first time this season. Therefore, the way he convinced Holden to get her on the ship - while funny - made zero sense to me. I now understand who she is from the recap! but that story arc was totally forgotten by me...
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    That was one ship. They have a whole society growing on the other world.
     
  7. Feb 4, 2021 #227 of 285
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    well, yeah, but that was the ship that had the leader with the vision of what the new world would be!
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    You really think he's the only guy on Mars who understands what it means to Mars to have a planet that doesn't need to be terraformed?
     
  9. Feb 4, 2021 #229 of 285
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    Sauveterre wasn't the leader. He's a subordinate of Admiral Duarte who is the leader of the renegade MCRN faction. And Duarte is mentioned in Sauveterre's congratulation to Marco Inaros.

    We haven't seen Duarte yet. But Bobbie was investigating missing tech for over a year. Duarte's been moving assets to Laconia in all that time.

    if you rewind back to S4E01, Laconia was one the targets of ships that ran the Ring Blockade.
     
  10. Feb 4, 2021 #230 of 285
    madscientist

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    Miller "lived" on because he was infected by the protomolecule itself and it subsumed his memory etc. If the ship was destroyed by the technology that destroyed the protomolecule civilization it doesn't follow (to me) that the people on the ship would continue on like Miller did... I mean, maybe, but it's a completely different situation.
     
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    Oh, I thought the captain of that ship who made his subordinate take off her mother's bracelet was Duarte. I also thought he was the leader. Thanks for the clarification.

    so, what you're saying is: "It's an entirely different kind of disintegration, altogether"?

    ;)
     
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    I thought the Martian ship was destroyed but haven't finished the after show yet. I didn't see it coming w/so much collusion between a faction of the MCRN and the Belters. Interesting...

    That was pretty cool to see the Earth ships in battle. Did I miss the destruction of the 3rd ship except from the conference room?

    Will be interesting if Macro will be able to maintain his grip upon the Belters or if they will abandon him and/or fight amongst themselves.
     
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    How to spot a programmer :)

    This is the part I don't get: Marco doesn't seem to have anywhere near enough ships to hold the solar system. At best, he can be a very successful pirate or something. What am I missing?
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    He doesn't need to hold the solar system. He just needs to hold the Ring. Then he controls access to a thousand other worlds.
     
  15. Feb 6, 2021 #235 of 285
    madscientist

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    And remember ring space has both a restricted opening (very large, but limited) and also very different physics than normal space...
     
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    investigator Miller disabled the security of the station at the end of season 3. The ring space isn't a "slow zone" anymore, and ships can transit at unrestricted speeds.
     
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    And why is that any easier? Someone that has 10 tanks guarding a mountain pass isn't an insurmountable obstacle because the pass is narrow. It's not like the people guarding the ring before Marco were not easily overwhelmed.

    I'm not being a smart alec...please explain why it is how you say it is. Clearly, (see next comment) I'm missing a lot of important details!

    I did not know that; which makes Rob's suggestion even more implausible...
     
  18. Feb 6, 2021 #238 of 285
    Rob Helmerichs

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    They were easily overwhelmed because it never occurred to them that they might face an enemy that could give them more than a mild headache. It never occurred to them that they would be facing a fleet of state-of-the-art Martian warships, because Mars is part of their alliance.
     
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    That's fine...the element of surprise and the stealth meteors did the trick for Marco...still, I don't see how a few ships can hold the ring gate against the overwhelming power of Earth's fleet.
     
  20. Feb 7, 2021 #240 of 285
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I'm not sure how overwhelming Earth's fleet would be in that situation. I mean sure, against a ragtag Belter fleet. But now the Belters have a state-of-the-art Martian fleet of their own...and Martian ships are better than Earther ships.

    And let's face it...Earth has problems of its own right now. Like whether or not they're going to even survive.
     

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