The Expanse Season 5 SPOILERS

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  1. JYoung

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    Man, that jump really cost Naomi.
    I get that she altered the message but my question is, how will Alex (or Holden) interpret it?

    Oksana really should have let Drummer cut loose.

    Avasarala is going to have a problem with Delgado, isn't she?

    Also, is Marcos' grand plan on the flawed side?
    His aim seems to be to have the Belt control the Ring Gates and the planets on the other side of those gates.
    But as we mentioned, Belters will have problems with the planetary gravity wells.
    How many of his "own people" is Marcos willing to sacrifice not only to that but the inevitable conflicts with Earth and Mars?

    (Answer: As many as it takes.)
     
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  2. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Or control ACCESS to the planets on the other side...

    To me, the flaw is what we saw this week...he now has Earth thinking "Kill all Belters!"
     
  3. JYoung

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    Access sure, but that might backfire as well.
    (As you point out.)

    I'm guessing Marcos thought that Earth would be too busy with it's own problems after the impacts.
    (Death, destruction, asteroid winters)
    But it always seemed to me that Earth was straining to maintain resources for it's current population and may have no choice but to push out more to the ring worlds, not only for resources but colonization as well.
    The more desperate they are, the harder they'll fight against the Free Navy.
    (And that's on top of a lot of them wanting revenge.)

    Then there's Mars.....
    I'm guessing the higher ups that sold Marcos their gunships and weapons are doing this to stem the bleeding of Martians leaving and this is their way to refocus the population on terraforming Mars.

    It also begs the question of who attacked the Martian Parliament.
    If it's thought that Marcos did that as well, he's got the MCRN after him as well.

    And from what Admiral Delgado said, it sounds like UNN and MCRN have him badly outgunned.

    Edited to add: Sure, he thought he'd have the protomolecule but he doesn't, does he?
     
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  4. PaulS

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    One thing that's more clear to me from reading the books than from watching the show is the predicament Mars is in, with the appearance of the ring gates and the worlds beyond it. Essentially, they're screwed. Why bust your butt trying to terraform Mars (which would take decades, and untold lives and dollars) when there are hundreds of other worlds that are already habitable?
     
  5. Saturn_V

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    Avasarala in the books is good at that summarizing the "30,000 ft view." I wish the TV version had that insight. But the Belt's screwed too. Almost worse than Mars. Mars is simply why wait 100+ years for terraforming when there are perfectly habitable worlds beyond the Ring Gates.
    But this diaspora will break a lot of Belter and outer planet communities. Without the inner planets' commerce- all these outposts and stations lose their reason to exist. Free worlds with atmosphere are more hospitable environments- why stay? And while some Belters can live on those worlds and will likely emigrate too- that leaves a population only suitable for living *in space* and environments with less than 1/3 G. One the solar system empties out, and the economy dries up, the belters become an endangered and nomadic people.
     
  6. Anubys

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    everyone knows you can't use the slingshot around a sun/whatever because it sends you back in time...
     
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  7. Rob Helmerichs

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    Doesn't it depend on which direction you go..?
     
  8. Anubys

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    Dear God...one episode about Naomi's family drama...then another episode about Naomi stuck on a ship...and the next one will probably be about saving Naomi from the ship/trap she is in? really? is that what this season going to be about? the absolute worst character on the entire show?
     
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  9. kdmorse

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    With any luck they'll get to the ship soon, they seem to be converging on it with haste.

    And while I still like the character - her solo plot line is indeed dragging this season down.
     
  10. kdmorse

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    Also - I thought I was paying attention. Where did the belter's stolen proto-molecule go?
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

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    As far as we know, it was blown to bits when the ship that was supposedly carrying it self-destructed rather than be captured.

    As far as we know.
     
  12. cheesesteak

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    I hope they're saving up their excitement budget for this seaspn's remaining episodes because most of this season so far is a snooze fest.
     
  13. ehusen

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    I have to agree with a lot of the comments about this year being kind slow and not that engaging. This last episode did almost have me hitting the fast forward button.

    We get it, Naomi's son and baby daddy are united in their bastardom. It sucks but lets move on okay?

    I assume at some point Naomi is going to have to make the decision to kill them both by blowing up the ship they are on. Or the son will have a last minute "Darth Vader" conversion and sacrifice himself to save her. Or the final option is the father winds up killing the son for his 'lack of faith' and Naomi kills the father in a righteous rage.

    And yeah, Naomi is really suffering, again we get it. So let's see her stumble around in her suit without oxygen, tap a wire, then stumble back and rip off the helmet to gasp for air. Then let's repeat that a bunch more times. I was kind of starting to wish she wouldn't make it back after a few runs. There are ways to build tension but I don't think this is the way.

    Plus she's like a super engineer? She can't figure out how to disable the bomb?

    At this point, I would think she would hear the Rocianthe approaching and decide to blow the ship to save the rest of the crew and the love of her life.

    I'm not wishing an end to her character, I've enjoyed other episodes with her in them. But the last few have been tiring to watch.
     
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    I'm guessing Marco somehow has the protomolecule. If he doesn't, I don't see how he has any chance of being victorious against Earth and/or Mars.
     
  15. Anubys

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    Of course, Marco has the protomolecule. The question I have is if it's any threat any longer. The other piece of it already fulfilled its objective. I would think that releasing this one would just let it communicate with its other part, find out the mission is done, and therefore do nothing.
     
  16. JYoung

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    Well, the dialog between Holden, Bull, and Monica indicates that they believe that no other ship rendezvoused with the Zemya.

    And Marcos seemed to be pretty upset with Filip that he didn't have the protomolecule sample.

    Of course, that doesn't necessarily preclude the Zemya from shooting off the sample in a missile or just dumping it behind them.
     
  17. robojerk

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    The theory I've seen on if it's possible Marcos still has the protomolecule.
    The very last rocket fired from the ship that had protomolecule has a different plume/exhaust compared the rest and looks like a Epstein drive. They snuck it off during the attack and then self destructed before Holden could board and search the ship.
    theory.jpg theory2.jpg

    Although I wonder if stuff is just extrapolated from book readers, so theories aren't really theories but people pointing out the miniscule details out.
     
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  18. wprager

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    Not sure why you think that's a spoiler. It's just a theory based only on what was shown (albeit very briefly and nearly invisible unless you had a good monitor).
     
  19. smbaker

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    Didn't they speculate in the prior episode that perhaps he stole the protomolecule as payment for his shiny new fleet of Martian stealth warships?

    Marco brags about how he's the one with the "big vision", but if he really did/does plan to trade that protomolecule for a few ships, then his vision is really rather small.
     
  20. JYoung

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    Then we go back to Marcos banking on Earth being too busy with the aftereffects of the asteroid strikes and Mars being too busy trying to get back to terraforming the planet.
     

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