The Expanse -- Season 4 Thread *Spoilers Beltalowda*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Saturn_V, Dec 12, 2019.

  1. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Oct 27, 2000
    Fred does make an appearance later in the season.
  2. Saturn_V

    Saturn_V Now with flavor!

    Jun 1, 2007
    I hope Anderson Dawes comes back, but I'm betting that Jarred Harris' dancecard is full after his success with Chernobyl. His performance in season 1 really defined (more than any subsequent actor) what it means to be Belter.
  3. MacThor

    MacThor Not Pictured

    Feb 7, 2002
    Richmond VA
    They recast Avasalara's husband (a minor character, I know). Dawes would be much more difficult.
  4. Saturn_V

    Saturn_V Now with flavor!

    Jun 1, 2007
    I was actually glad they recast Brian George (Arjun Avasarala in S1&2)

    It'll make Season 5 a little easier to take.
  5. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

    Feb 22, 2001
    SF Bay Area, CA
    I finally finished S4 today so I felt I could finally look in here as I didn't want to be spoiled, like I was early in the MiHC final season thread. :(
    I was a bit bummed that she went from a bad ass marine to just being a salvage worker then criminal besides being totally disrespected by many (most?) Martians. Was it this way in the books? Did the book also have the shady side of Mars? I hadn't expected that her criminal boss was also in the police.

    As for Amos, yeah, that sucked. Was it that way in the books too?

    I was surprised about Ashford's raid going bad and him getting killed. I thought at the last moment, someone would save him. In the books, does his character have all the scars on his face and chest?

    Nancy Gao also win the elections in the books? She's easy on the eyes for me. :D
  6. randian

    randian Active Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    Wasn't she dishonorably discharged? That will get you plenty of disrespect in the real world here. We know she didn't deserve it, but the general Martian public don't.
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  7. kaszeta

    kaszeta $nullstring TCF Club

    Jun 11, 2004
    Grantham, NH
    The "book" covering that is the "Gods of Risk" Novella. The book storyline is substantially different.

    Bobbie is much more of a straight-laced ex-Marine in the novella. She doesn't do criminal activity that I recall, just helps out her nephew.

    Wei was a somewhat different character in the book, but yes, ended up in the same fate for the same reason
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  8. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    Maybe read the books? Every post contains that question.
  9. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

    Feb 22, 2001
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Unfortunately, I have little time for that. :( My day job + other priorities I have in life don't leave time for that.

    My place is a huge mess so I'd need to tend to that before reading fiction. I might not have enough interest anyway. And, I have quite a backlog of non-fiction to read first.
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  10. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    A suggestion: audio books!! You can clean AND listen, at the same time. I alternate between podcasts and novels when biking to work / walking the dog and I can get through even a large novel in 2 weeks or so. They're great for doing laundry, shoveling out the driveway, or any other physical task that doesn't require a lot of mental concentration.

    Many libraries have them on loan, and with Audible you can often get deals. Also if you buy on Amazon for Kindle, which is often like $8 or so, sometimes you can get an audio version as well for an extra dollar or two.

    Just a thought...
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  11. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy!

    Dec 9, 2002
    Lee, NH
    And these are great on audio.
  12. Saturn_V

    Saturn_V Now with flavor!

    Jun 1, 2007
    In the books, Bobbie was merely discharged and works with Veteran's Outreach, helping other Martian vets. She was never really on the outs with the Martian govt.

    In the show, she stands trial and is dishonorably discharged for her actions on the Behemoth, (the Martians never really trusted her loyalties since rescuing Avasarala in Season 3) and is now a political pariah, no longer a "good Martian."

    The Gao v. Avasarala election never happened in the books. The book election was between Sorrento-Gillis and Gao- and it's merely a sidebar, fallout from Mao-Kwikowski / Protogen affair.
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  13. jeremy3721

    jeremy3721 MrTivo

    Feb 16, 2002
    East Tennessee
    Well I just finished season four. It was a steaming pile of poop from start to finish. The final season of House of Cards is the only other show where I can recall being this disappointed across an entire season.
  14. UTV2TiVo

    UTV2TiVo Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Feb 2, 2005
    I liked it. It was really well done. Of course, the book this season is focused on was my least favorite. All the books are good but that one spent way too much time on the planet for my taste. So I guess that set my expectations lower for this season.
    The book didn't even have Bobbie, whereas Season 4 did. Bring on more Bobbie!
    Looking forward to Season 5. Hoping the wait isn't too long.
  15. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    Couldn't disagree more. :D I rather enjoyed this season. I was a book reader, and I remember the book being a departure from the rest of the series, kind of self-contained Holden and friends going off on an away mission. The conflict between the belters and the corporate security played out well, and the evil corporate security guy I felt was well cast. Amos had some great moments to shine being Amos.

    It does feel to me like the TV show had to spend a lot of time keeping characters back on Earth and Mars relevant, whereas what I recalled from the book was entirely the Holden adventure. I'm not sure if my book recollection is accurate. The material involving the Avasarala and Bobbi came off as slow filler for me.

    The rise of Marco Inaros was great. I was sad to see Ashford go, I really enjoyed that actor's portrayal.
  16. jeremy3721

    jeremy3721 MrTivo

    Feb 16, 2002
    East Tennessee
    One of my big problems was all the time spent on the planet. That was like a three episode arc at best and definitely not something worthy of stretching across an entire season.

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