The component video switching thread.

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by btwyx, Apr 3, 2004.

  1. Apr 3, 2004 #1 of 144
    btwyx

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    I'm sure this is going to be a common situation, with the arrival (currently imminent) of the HD DTiVo I will have a shortage of component video switching capability in the system.

    My receiver has 2 component inputs, that seemed plenty at the time I bought it I had only one component video source, the DVD. Since then I've got a D-VHS and now the HD DTiVo. My display does component, not digital input.

    Looking around I've found these likely candidates:

    Audio Authority 1154 <http://www.audioauthority.com/aacconsumers/1154c.html>
    Zektor HDS4 <http://www.zektor.com/hds4/index.htm>
    Zektor HDS4.2 <http://www.zektor.com/hds42/index.htm>
    Inday RGB4X-R <http://www.inday.com/rgb4x/rgb4x.htm>
    Cables To Go 4 To 2 Matrix selector <http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=2013&sku=40020>
    Key Digital Swicthers KD-SW2X1, KD-SW4x1, KD-MSW8x3<http://www.keydigital.com/items.asp?Cc=300>
    AV ToolBox AVT-5842(MX) <http://www.avtoolbox.com/routingpage.shtml>
    Pelican component seletor switch. <http://www.pelicanperformance.com/index2.html>
    Mad Catz Selector <http://www.madcatz.com/MadCatz/product_details.jsp?product_id=6132>
    AVLinx AVS4.1 <http://www.avlinx.com/>
    Video Storm CSM42 <http://www.video-storm.com/proddetail.asp?prod=CSM42>

    And the JVC JXS line (no link to JVC, their web site is down, this link may not work) <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...&b=193&Submit.x=8&Submit.y=7&shs=&ci=5727&ac=>

    JVC JXS-111
    JVC JXS-555
    JVC JXS-777

    All of these do more that just switch component video, which is what I want, they'll route audio as well. The JVC are full blown A/V switchers with S-Video and other inputs and outputs as well.

    The AudioAuthority is completely automatic, it tries to devine which source you actually want to watch if more than one is present. There is a button on the front to override this, but there is no remote control. I think I really need a remote control, and I don't trust a peice of hardware to get this right.

    The Zektor models look interesting, quite sleek (high WAF quitient). They are remotely controllable, they seem very flexible about what remote codes they respond to. You can have your remote learn their codes, or you can have the unit learn your remote's codes.

    The JVC's vary from not remote controllable and quite inexpensive (JXS-111) to really over the top (JXS-777) the JSX-555 looks like a good compromise at a reasonable price (from B&H as above) but is really more than I'm looking for.

    The "Pelican component selector switch" looks interesting, 8 inputs, inexpenise, but no IR control. Designed for gamers. Also does Ethernet (weird).

    The mad Catz is also a gaming accessory, only 2 inputs, but only $30.

    The Video Storm looks good, does switching and distribution to 2 displays, also learns any remote code. Wolfman1138 is raving about it, lists at $224.99

    I'd like to hear comments from people living with these units, and hear about any options that I've missed.

    Ideally I'd like something which is small inconspicuous, just switches component video, it doesn't have to have many inputs, and be not too expensive.

    Edit: I just added the Inday to the list, thanks Doug. That looks about the sort of thing I'm looking for. Anyone using one of these?

    Edit: 4/4 Add the cables to go 4 to 2 Matrix Selector. <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1853280#post1853280>

    Edit 4/5 Add the link to key digital as mentioned by Barry Gordon. <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1854744#post1854744>. Prices I've found are 2x1 $129, 4x1 $299 and 8x3 $999.

    Edit 4/9 Add AV Toolbox switcher as mentioned by tgibbs <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1866131#post1866131>

    Edit 5/15 Add Pelican component selector switch as mentioned by gjp33usa <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1958838#post1958838>

    Edit 5/30 Added URL for Pelican and Mad Catz.

    Edit 6/27 add Video storm, as reviewed by Wolfman1138 <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=2056209#post2056209>

    Edit 8/23 Add link to AVLink, kngelv is looking for opinions. <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=2176546#post2176546>

    Edit 10/19 Add link to product page on Video Storm. CSM42 Reviewed by Wolfman1138 <http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=2303986#post2303986>
     
  2. Apr 3, 2004 #2 of 144
    DTV TiVo Dealer

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    I love the Zektor switches. We have sold a very good volume of both models with very excellent customer feedback.

    The 4.2 switch is remote control controlled and has push buttons, as well as 2 outputs. Both switches can be used in reverse hook up, e.g. 2 in, 4 out or 4 in 2 out.

    Zektor is an extremely fine company to work with from a dealer and end user perspective.

    In summary, the only thing better than the quality products they build is the company themselves.
     
  3. Apr 3, 2004 #3 of 144
    midas

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    Well I love my Zektor. It's been absolutely flawless. I can't speak about their customer service because I've never had a problem with the unit.

    I don't like the type to unit that does automatic switching. They rely on either only one unit being turned on at a time or, if more than one thing is active, whichever has the higher priority. That wouldn't work for me. Obviously, the Tivo is always on. So if I hooked up my Xbox with a higher priority, when I turned that one it would switch to the Xbox. Now, if I want to go back to Tivo for a short time, the only way to do it would be to get up and physically turn off the Xbox. As it is now I can just hit the remote, watch something on Tivo and go back to the Xbox when I feel like it without having to turn it off or on.

    Think about how you plan to use it and what the future may have instore before you spend the money on one that does the auto-switching. On the surface it sounds like a better (easier) way of doing things. But it's a lot less flexible.
     
  4. Apr 3, 2004 #4 of 144
    ptrubey

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    Don't forget the LatencyZero - www.latencyzero.com - it switches 8 component video plus digital audio (coax and optical) with two outs. I use one in my system and it works fine.
     
  5. Apr 3, 2004 #5 of 144
    midas

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    Wow, for $899 it should also do your dishes for you. And I thougth $299 was high for the Zektor.
     
  6. Apr 3, 2004 #6 of 144
    dswallow

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    Inday also has some component 4:1 switchers and audio 4:1 switchers, IR controlled. They have splitters too if you just need to distribute the signal.

    http://www.inday.com/

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    $149 for the video switcher, $119 for the audio switcher.
     
  7. Apr 3, 2004 #7 of 144
    markw

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    I have a Audio Authority on order but the Zektor is looking better all the time. I don't like the auto switching of the AA and have heard several complaints about it on here.
     
  8. Apr 3, 2004 #8 of 144
    markw

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    One thing that made me go with AA is it appears to have no signal loss but now I'm wondering if that may be the case with the Zektor. It also appears to have no signal loss. Is that true?
     
  9. Apr 3, 2004 #9 of 144
    genearch

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    Another vote for the Zektor.. I set up one in my sisters house and it has worked great
     
  10. Apr 3, 2004 #10 of 144
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    No loss, 100 mHz bandwidth.
     
  11. Apr 3, 2004 #11 of 144
    btwyx

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    I like the look of the Inday (thanks Doug), nice and small and discrete. I just Edited that into the post at the top. Does anyone use one of these?

    The Latency zero looks like overkill at $900 and has BNC connectors.

    I'd noticed that Value Electronics has the Zektor, I was considering using my 10% discount for it. The HDS4.2 is interesting for its extra buffered component output, If I ever wanted to send component somewhere else that would be useful. But its a bit more expensive than the HDS4.
     
  12. Apr 3, 2004 #12 of 144
    turt

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    I got the AA to save $$ and I liked the idea of the autoswitching. It works well with one large exception. The autoswitching works by a "most recent signal" priority. Apparently cable and satellite boxes send packets of info continuously even when not on. This makes for a messy situation. I don't have my D* receiver going through the switcher.

    In addition to a couple component signals, I use it useful to convert from optical to coax and even send my vcr audio through it because my older receiver doesn't have many inputs.

    If I had to do it over again, I'd probably go with the Zektor. It's a better build and gets rave reviews (as you've seen). I'll put up with my AA until I get a denon 3805 which has 3 component ins.
     
  13. Apr 3, 2004 #13 of 144
    markw

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    I like the look of the Inday as well. I definitely want LR audio along with component though and it seems to rule that out. If I was just ordering without a doubt I'd go with Zektor but like I said I have a AA on the way to me now that should arrive Monday so I don't know if I should give that a try or maybe just return it and go with Zektor. It is a price jump but I think it would be worth it.
     
  14. Apr 4, 2004 #14 of 144
    dswallow

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    I don't see myself needing one of these yet, but consider most A/V receivers... I have the almost-bottom-of-the-line Harman Kardon AVR-525. It's got piles of audio and video inputs, but only two video inputs that can have component connections. So by having a separate device able to switch the component video, I can still feed all the audio through the receiver directly. Then I just program my universal remote (MX-700 in my case) so that it controls not only the A/V receiver but also the component switcher and TV for each command meant to change what's displayed/heard.

    Right now I don't need the extra inputs, since I sort of do this now using extra inputs available on the display itself. The remote is controlling both the A/V receiver and the display's input selector as necessary.

    So I can understand why Inday would make a device that did not do anything but switch video. And they do have one that switches only audio. It'd make some sense if they had a third device that switched both, though, for people who need both; better I think to have one device being controlled if you can, rather than two.
     
  15. Apr 4, 2004 #15 of 144
    Mr Pieces

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    I just got the Denon 3805 receiver about 2 weeks ago. The 2 main reasons for choosing this receiver were 3 sets of component in/1 out and video upsizing for the rare occasion I have to upconvert composite or S-Video to a component output. If you need a new receiver I would recommend this. Picked it up for $1000 ($1199 MSRP) Also has all the latest features like PLIIx, auto, EQ, etc.
     
  16. Apr 4, 2004 #16 of 144
    hoby

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    Yeah, my Denon 4802 has the same setup and support for 480/720/1080. The funny part is I bought it for this purpose last year, and sorta forgot that I could use it for HD... :) So I have only been using it for 480p on my DVD.
     
  17. Apr 4, 2004 #17 of 144
    markw

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    I have a Yamaha 5280 and like so many receivers it only has the 2 component ins so that's why I'm out of inputs. I'd just need 3 and would be happy. I'd almost look into a new receiver now and the Denons actually have impressed me a lot but I also am hoping that receivers with HDMI are just around the corner (of course once again 3 inputs hopefully) and when that comes then I'll look into upgrading. I think some receivers already may offer this.
     
  18. Apr 4, 2004 #18 of 144
    turt

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    HDMI may be "just around the corner" in the next year, but 3 inputs? You'll have to wait your turn. Look how long it took to get 3 component inputs. I can't see 3 HDMI inputs for at least a few years.
     
  19. Apr 4, 2004 #19 of 144
    markw

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    I have seen some Denon receivers now and they seem to have a couple HDMI and they use 3 component but I know this will be expensive at first and as well it will take awhile for 3 HDMI's. I was going to get one with DVI but then I heard about HDMI and I think most are skipping DVI and going straight to HDMI. I'm interested in seeing how most work. What I mean is if I run a HDMI cable to a TV can I then buy a cable that goes from HDMI to an output of DVI and then a optical audo or LR audio cables. I hope that made sense. As well, I know the if you only have Component into a receiver for example you can only output Component from that DVD player or whatever unit and not S-Video but if I'm right that is changing and some will convert video. Once again expensive and it's amazing how many inputs some of these receivers have but you can never have too many.
     
  20. Apr 4, 2004 #20 of 144
    uofmtiger

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    I have the AA, but if I was in the market for one now I would get the Zektor. I rarely have the auto switching conflicts that others have, but why worry about it when you don't have to. Besides, who knows if I will buy something in the future that does create more conflicts?
     

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