The Boys (Amazon) - Season 1 *spoilers*

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  1. Aug 27, 2019 #81 of 121
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I didn't see it as not being powerful enough or not caring, but just not having a clue what he was doing. Granted, once he realized he had %$^#ed things up beyond all hope he wasn't exactly broken up about it, but he did vaguely try to follow orders and rescue the jet.

    Saving people isn't what Supes are about. One of the whole points of the show is that in this world superheroes are kind of a joke when it comes to actually being superheroes. Their real job is just to give the impression of being superheroes so that Vought can profit from them. The "rescue" was an attempt by Vought to have them actually play the role (so they could get lucrative defense contracts), and it backfired horrifically but predictably.
     
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  2. Aug 27, 2019 #82 of 121
    heySkippy

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    I took the scene with Homelander saying he couldn't save the jet as a jab at the ridiculousness of Superman saving planes in comics and movies by flying underneath and holding them up. Homelander was completely correct that he wouldn't have anything to push against without punching a hole through the plane.
     
  3. Aug 27, 2019 #83 of 121
    robojerk

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    I think the real world physics of a super catching a plane like Superman doesn't make sense, like said above. I think there was no way to save those people, and keep Vought happy.
     
  4. Aug 27, 2019 #84 of 121
    jsmeeker

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    He did his job very well. He was able to spin the outcome in a way that it benefitted Vought.

    :)
     
  5. Aug 27, 2019 #85 of 121
    ej42137

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    Superman's catching and push abilities have been demonstrated to be more complex than just applying force from his hands. For example, consider the common scenario of catching Lois Lane just before she hits the ground from a great height; if Kal-El were to apply force through the surface of his hands sufficient to arrest her terminal velocity over a couple of feet, the result would be a Lois as dead as Gwen Stacy. Clearly the force applied by Superman is somehow applied generally to the object he is moving rather than specifically to the surface he touches; some kind of telekinesis rather than simple super-strength, an ability that Homelander lacks.

    To expand on Superman vs. Homelander, another classic method of plane-saving is to use super-breath to support the plane into a gentle crash landing. Either Homelander does not have super-breath or he and Maeve did not think of that because they are just stupid. (I believe there is some in-story justification for the latter position; either way advantage Clark.)
     
  6. Aug 27, 2019 #86 of 121
    JYoung

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    I agree that part of the (ahem) thrust of that sequence was to point out the real world problems of Superman (Or Iron Man or Captain Marvel) flying under the belly of a plane and lifting it up.

    I'm not an aeronautical engineer but spitballing here, I'm wondering if it would have been possible for Homelander to go out to one of the engine mount points and apply thrust there (forward or reverse).
    I mean that point is designed to take the force of a jet engine pushing against it.
    And maybe bring the plane down in a controlled water landing/crash.

    Admittedly, not an easy task and I'm doubtful that Homelander has the necessary aeronautical knowledge to pull off such a move as the real point of the sequence was that Homelander had essentially sentenced those people to death through his recklessness and he plain just didn't care what happened to them.

    Mauve felt guilt but Homelander just didn't give a damn.
    (And I find it interesting that the only ones on the Seven who seem to have any empathy are the women.)
     
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  7. Aug 27, 2019 #87 of 121
    JYoung

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    Yes, buuuuuuutttttt Vought wants to give the impression that they do save people, so sometimes, they actually do save some people, like in the opening scenes of episode one where Homelander catches those robbers and Mauve stops the truck from hitting the kids.

    And there was the sniper they took out.

    (Don't know if Mauve was working for Vought when she broke her arm saving that school bus though.)

    But Vought also wants to carefully control the image so it looks like they direct the Seven to the easy gimmes of "Heroism".
    (And why they didn't want Annie going out and doing her own investigating.)

    I suspect that the big rescues are saved for the movies and thus are completely fictional.
    (Or maybe it's like our current "reality" programming.)
     
  8. Aug 28, 2019 #88 of 121
    ej42137

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    More obviously he could push on the landing gear, which obviously supports the weight of the plane on landing. But none of these points would apply force through the center of mass, so all that would be accomplished would be to spin the plane about said center of mass.

    If Homeland were to have super-speed, like Superman does, he could fly the plane by pushing on surfaces in sequence so as to spread and balance the loading on the structure. Even without super-speed one would think he could direct the flight of the plane by applying non-destructive levels of force to the air frame as needed. I imagine after he destroyed the plane's controls he just wanted to bury the evidence of his mistake. Either that or he just doesn't know much physics.
     
  9. Aug 28, 2019 #89 of 121
    jsmeeker

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    Well, this thread become fun for a bit after we moved past the Translucent talk. I knew it couldn't last.
     
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  10. Aug 28, 2019 #90 of 121
    JYoung

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    Again just spitballing here, many years back, I read that commercial jets were designed to be able to fly on just one engine. (Probably not with terrific performance but good enough to make it to a safe landing area.)

    I forget if the jet in question was a two engine one or had four engines but I'm guessing that the pilots have to go through simulations where they are reduced to one engine and have to compensate for the asymmetrical thrust of being on only one engine. Which I'm guessing is designed to be minimized.

    So I don't think that pushing on one of the engine mounts would necessarily cause the plane to spin on it's center of mass.... unless of course, Homelander pushes (way) too hard, exceeding the thrust which would normally be there in a one engine only situation (which is quite possible considering that this is Homelander we're talking about. I tend to agree with you that he's no physicist).


    Hi!
    Welcome to Tivo Community where we often discuss things like this. ;)

    But we're talking about planes, Jeff!
     
  11. Aug 28, 2019 #91 of 121
    ej42137

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    When a jet flies on one engine, the pilot compensates for the torque of unbalanced engines using the rudder. Homelander doesn't control the rudder in our scenario. He admitted he doesn't even know how to fly a plane, let alone trim a jet to fly one engine. Which he couldn't do anyway because he destroyed the controls.

    Besides which, it's not the engines holding the plane up, it's the air flow over the wings.

    Edit to add: Try pushing a model plane around using the tip of your finger. What happens if you push on the wing?
     
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  12. Aug 28, 2019 #92 of 121
    ej42137

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    You've been here 18 years, so long your name has become a verb. How can you still not know how TCF works?
     
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  13. Aug 28, 2019 #93 of 121
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Because he doesn't actually read the posts..? ;)
     
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  14. Aug 28, 2019 #94 of 121
    jsmeeker

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    I've suffered through so much. ;)
     
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  15. Aug 28, 2019 #95 of 121
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    Can we stop calling her "Mauve"?
     
  16. Aug 28, 2019 #96 of 121
    JYoung

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    Well in a DC Comics story, Wonder Woman would physically get out on the tail and control the rudder while Superman provided the lift/thrust.
    (I mean she had an Invisible Jet, right? ;) )
    Of course, Superman wouldn't have recklessly destroyed the flight controls.

    That does make me think about something else though, it's pretty much made clear that Homelander was raised in a Vought lab and since Vought appears to give the Seven the aforementioned "Gimme" missions to look good, it's quite possible that Homelander never had to deal with something as complicated as a "plane going down" rescue.
    (And even if they dealt with previous hostage situations, I'm fairly certain that there was "collateral damage" that was covered up. Although I think Butcher knows.)
     
  17. Aug 29, 2019 #97 of 121
    gossamer88

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    Homelander is a textbook sociopath. Even if he had the ability, he would not have saved them...IMO...
     
  18. Aug 29, 2019 #98 of 121
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Oh, I think he would have. Not because we wanted to save them, but because it would have served his purposes to be seen as a great hero.

    But failure didn't bother him a bit.
     
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  19. Aug 29, 2019 #99 of 121
    mr.unnatural

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    I'm amazed at how many of these threads turn into discussions about logic when the topic is pure fiction to begin with. I learned to stop picking apart plots and expose misinformation in TV shows and movies a long time ago. It just ruins any entertainment value it has to offer. My philosophy for shows like this is to just turn off my brain and enjoy the ride.
     
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    My brain doesn't have that switch. And I like picking apart bad stuff on shows/movies. That is what these forums are for.
     
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