The Biggest Fail of all Time TiVo+

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JACKASTOR, Nov 26, 2019.

Dump it or keep it?

  1. Dump it, it’s really crap!

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  2. Keep it it’s the best!

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  3. Neutral

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  4. It makes me want to roll over and die!

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  5. It makes me feel all warm and good inside when I watch it.

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  6. Currently I do not have to suffer TiVo+

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  1. Dec 25, 2019 #81 of 150
    Fofer

    Fofer Bo55man69

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    ...at the expense of your current recordings, a few great TE4-exclusive features, as well as the rest of the TE4 interface.

    TE4 (still without pre-roll ads on my Roamio Plus or TiVo Minis) is much preferable to me than a downgrade back to TE3.
     
  2. Dec 25, 2019 #82 of 150
    zalusky

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    Anybody know what the TE3 installed base in relation to the TE4 base? I have no desire to upgrade since streaming is a bigger and bigger part of our picture.
     
  3. Dec 25, 2019 #83 of 150
    Fofer

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    I suppose since streaming has *already* become a bigger part of the picture, and TiVo has proven time and time again that they are just not equipped to handle streaming well, or even that transition, I know my time with TiVo hardware will eventually come to end. So that’s helping me enjoy TE4 for the time being. I’m enjoying their latest software (for me, CEC and autocomskip are indispensable features) while I still can. With the recent Xperi merger and the writing we all see on the wall, I don’t have much faith in TiVo’s future. I’ve lost any optimism about the AppleTV app, I’m doubtful it will ever see the light of day. And if it does I’m prepared for some bombshell disappointment that it requires a Bolt or newer.

    And so I can’t see myself buying a TiVo Edge, or feeling compelled to buy any new TiVo hardware for that matter. So I’m enjoying what I’ve got while it lasts, and would ditch everything before downgrading back to TE3.
     
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  4. Dec 26, 2019 #84 of 150
    slowbiscuit

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    Which are? Auto-skip can be done in TE3 and that's basically the only useful add-on unless you really love talking to your remote.

    There's nothing compelling enough about TE4 to have to put up with this new forced ad crap.
     
  5. Dec 26, 2019 #85 of 150
    Charles R

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    I look at the reverse... There's nothing compelling enough about TE3 to have to put up with it. Not even taking into account I have zero ads.
     
  6. Dec 26, 2019 #86 of 150
    Fofer

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    I’m talking about completely *hands-free* auto-skip. No button press or voice command required. Without having to run any additional equipment or pyTivo server. True AUTO skip.

    Also, CEC remote control, which makes a big difference in my setup.
     
  7. Dec 26, 2019 #87 of 150
    Lurker1

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    Look, I wasn't trying to start yet another tired TE4 vs TE3 debate. Everything has already been said many times, and we all know who is firmly in which camp. We should all be very grateful to TiVo for even allowing us the choice. I was merely trying to help @hawk521, who is regretting his TiVo purchase and wanting a refund specifically because of TiVo+ and pre-roll ads.
     
  8. Dec 26, 2019 #88 of 150
    spiderpumpkin

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    Seems like Tivo misses adding skip to a lot of prime time shows. You're the only one I've heard say how well Tivo marks commercials for skip and never fails at that.
     
  9. Dec 26, 2019 #89 of 150
    JoeKustra

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    I wouldn't say never, especially for prime time. I checked 10 fall series I have saved for later watching. Of 90 episodes 4 are missing SM. Three of those on the same day, which is strange.
     
  10. Dec 26, 2019 #90 of 150
    Fofer

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    I haven’t talked about “how well” it marks commercials but I know that it does mark commercials on the vast majority of *my* recordings. That element didn’t change from TE3 to TE4. What I do know is that TE4 has a feature that allows those shows that are marked, to be played with true auto comskip, and that feature isn’t on TE3. And it’s significant enough of a feature in real-world use, that I consider it a differentiator, a “killer app” that is a good example of why one would choose to stick with TE4 over TE3.

    Because that was the question I was responding to.
     
  11. Dec 27, 2019 #91 of 150
    slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Yeah, true auto-skip can be done in TE3, we use it all the time. It's really not that big a deal to run kmttg, at most you can spend $50 on a Raspberry Pi if you don't already have a server running somewhere.

    CEC? *shrug*. Could be useful, but minor feature compared to the total crappiness that is forced ads and Tivo+ in the guide.
     
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  12. Dec 27, 2019 #92 of 150
    Fofer

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    I don’t want to have to run kmttg or a separate server for something as basic as auto commercial skip. And thankfully I don’t have to, with TE4.

    And I take advantage of CEC every day, multiple times a day. My setup is absolutely improved by it.

    I haven’t seen any forced pre-roll ads on my Roamio Plus and if I did I would opt out. I don’t really care too much about the TiVo+ ads. They’re annoying, but not nearly as annoying as it would be to lose independent auto comskip, as well as my recordings. And they’re certainly not as annoying as it would be to lose CEC. It is not a minor feature to me, at all.

    If TiVo were to force pre-roll ads on me without any way to opt out, I would ditch TiVo entirely before downgrading back to TE3.
     
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  13. Dec 27, 2019 #93 of 150
    kujo999

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    I just contacted customer service about this and they put in a request to take it off. Honestly, it's getting to the point where I'm thinking about bailing on Tivo altogether. I had no idea what the "pre roll" was and I was wondering why I started to see the SAME commercials over and over. It wasn't until I hit the forward button that Tivo started the regular recording. Kind of pisses me off how they take liberties with the customer base. They just shove any kind of dog-food at us and we're supposed to lap it up. Not to mention how they significantly change the UI from time to time; like burying the "play from start" command into a sub-menu. Little things like that make me not smile. Don't get me started on why they erased the Tivo guy's face. Maybe that's on a sub-menu too. End of rant.
     
  14. Dec 28, 2019 #94 of 150
    hawk521

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    I tried to opt out of the pre-roll ads (and TIVO+ guide intrustion) without success. I'm not sure what their criteria is for honoring opt out requests but obviously I didn't press the right buttons.

    It is amazing that Tivo would choose to damage the singular, trademark feature that was the very essence of Tivo - not having to watch ads. And their subscription fees for guide services would appear to be more than sufficient to sustain a company of their size...especially if they promoted the SkipMode feature more. The short-sightedness of imposing pre-roll ads and snarling up the channel guide with unwelcome TIVO+ confusion is so utterly stupid that it cannot properly be described with civil language.

    My $investment$ in Tivo was a poor choice. I am stuck and at the mercy of Tivo management decisions. But unless/until Tivo refocuses on their core concept as a company, I could never recommend Tivo to anyone. And it saddens me to say that.
     
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  15. Dec 28, 2019 #95 of 150
    Mikeguy

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    I would telephone customer support, explain the extent to which the pre-roll is degrading your experience (system stalls, freezes, shows not starting, etc.), and insist that your account be opted-out. I have never read here of TiVo ultimately refusing to honor the request in such circumstances.
     
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  16. Dec 28, 2019 #96 of 150
    DeltaOne

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    My Roamio doesn't have the pre-roll ads, but it does have the ads in the Guide. I was just looking at the Guide and found that the ad insertion would not let me go to a specific channel in the guide. It seemed like the ad was at the top or bottom of the screen and was using channel 850's spot.

    I could see channels 849 and 851 but not 850...that's where the ad insertion was. Page up or down would put the ad on the top or bottom line. To see channel 850 in the Guide I had to exit to live TV, tune to channel 850 and then bring up the Guide.
     
  17. Dec 29, 2019 #97 of 150
    Cheezmo

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    Nothing strange about it at all. The skip data is entered manually by a team of viewers that watch the shows and mark the commercials. If there was a technical issue one day it makes perfect sense that there would be a "skip marking" outage affecting several shows.
     
  18. Dec 29, 2019 #98 of 150
    pfiagra

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    my guess (at least for OTA) is that the most common technical issue is poor reception at some point during the recording that causes the closed captioning data to be messed up and, thus, skip mode doesn’t have a complete captioning dataset to work with and can’t get applied to the recording.
     
  19. Dec 29, 2019 #99 of 150
    Fofer

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    Except we’re told that the skip mode timestamps aren’t dependent on the closed captioning dataset. They’re added manually by humans.
     
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