The Americans | "A Roy Rogers in Franconia" | 2016-06-01 S4E12

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  1. desulliv

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    If she's going to be a spy, she needs to be schooled in compartmentalization and need to know. P&E are giving up way too much information.
     
  2. Steveknj

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    This. And in fact, I'm actually kind of surprised that Paige even goes along with it. She's an American by all standards (my assumption is she was born in America), and been taught in school for years that USSR = Bad. And now she wants to be Junior Spy? I actually understand why she would go to Pastor Tim, someone she trusts with this secret. I think most American kids would do something like that. I think it's an interesting age the writers chose for Paige to gain this knowledge. I think if she was older and more independent she would have given them up much more easily. She's a young teen and much more dependent on mom and dad. But, if they have to run back to USSR, I wonder how the kids will react to that. The son is even MORE ingrained in being American. There's no computers and video games in those days in the USSR.
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    There's also the somewhat Commie-ish church she's deeply-involved with. I think that has predisposed her to accept Mom's propaganda (making the world a better place). And the reality of what Mom is up to is chipping away at that.
     
  4. brebeans

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    Yes....I agree with this, too.

    I think Paige reacted like a teen when she went to Pastor Tim. However, once she met Elizabeth's mother, they're giving her more info and she's feeling trusted by them, I think she's both intrigued and confused. And, they ARE her parents and she loves them. Her inclination is to trust them and she needs them.

    I think Philip and Elizabeth's fear is that, if they don't give her as much info as possible (within reason, as they said 'they can't give her all the details') , she won't trust them, begin to dislike them and have more of an inclination to be frustrated and share with Pastor Tim or ....her new "beau".

    I think she is acting like the perfect teen for her age (15/16?). She's smart and wants to be included..and that includes, in her parents' stuff.
     
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    It's been a great path. "So, want to become a spy like us?" never would've worked. But...

    Pastor Tim is great.
    Pastor Tim didn't keep my confidence and blabbed to Alice.
    Now I have to report on them? Yuck.
    Alice threatened my family!
    Did my parents do it?
    Pastor Tim is OK! My parents didn't do it!
    And I helped!
    Now I'm helping with the neighbors!
    Let me help more! Don't you trust me? I'm part of this!

    Now she's eager.
     
  6. brebeans

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    Perfect! :up:
     
  7. stellie93

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    I hollered something similar to this at Paige several times in this episode.

    I would think that if Paige and Elizabeth told people that they were almost mugged, but someone came along and distracted the muggers and they got away, it would be assumed that the same guys tried it on someone else and were killed. But you would wonder why the victim didn't report it. I guess he might be afraid of having to prove self defense, so he just left. Was there a second mugger who escaped? So he saw them? :confused:
     
  8. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I wonder if anything is going to come of the phone call that Gabriel and Phillip made to Martha's mom. Will Martha's mom report that back to the FBI and Stan will find out? Seems like there would have to be some kind of fallout from that.
     
  9. astrohip

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    I think they have a wiretap on the parent's phone, I vaguely recall them talking about it. But they called from a pay phone, and Gabriel did the talking, so gotta be difficult to track.

    And there is no way the FBI can link the call to Stan telling his son telling Paige telling her parents.
     
  10. DevdogAZ

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    No, I'm not thinking the FBI will figure anything out from the Matthew and Paige thing or even track the call. I'm just wondering whether the fact that someone called and said that Martha is alive and being taken care of will trigger Stan to do some more investigating and maybe utilize Oleg to find out more.
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

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    I'm not sure anybody will be surprised that she's still alive (except me :D)...isn't the working assumption that she ran?

    I guess they would know that whoever called, called from DC. But I'm not sure how that would help...
     
  12. DevdogAZ

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    I think the point being that if someone is calling to say she's alive and being taken care of, then that implies that she's probably not free to make such a call herself, which would indicate that she wasn't entirely in control of the decision to run and/or stay gone. That leaves only a few realistic possibilities and might embolden Stan to ask Oleg about it.
     
  13. jr461

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    I don't think Paige is eager to spy as much as she's just reporting information out of fear for her parents' lives and perhaps the life of their family unit as she knows it. With their neighbor and "friend" and FBI agent, she now knows what could happen. Whether she has feelings for Beeman's son or not, who knows - it seems so with that little kiss.

    Her reactions are in line with a teenager who has been blind-sided with news so out of left field that her little world has been turned upside down. I don't know how anyone can complain that she is "whiny". She has also come to realize the ramifications of letting the secret out, something she didn't or probably couldn't know on day one when her head was still spinning when she blabbed to Tim.

    Can't believe it's the finale already - it will be interesting to see how this all plays out and what's left hanging going into next season.
     
  14. Bierboy

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    This is such a high quality show that they don't HAVE to add that; the viewers are intelligent enough to surmise that's what Paige was thinking...what we ALL were thinking.
     
  15. brebeans

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    I don't think Paige is whiny at all. Her life, or what she thought was her life, has been turned totally upside down. I'm surprised she's not acting out more, really.

    I do think she feels an allegiance to her parents and loves them and trusts them (well, WANTS to trust them) and I think she is sort of "playing" on being a "spy". I think she knows she's doing more than just 'reporting back' on what's going on. I think she's intrigued by the whole thing and wants to be 'in on it' with her parents (not knowing, of course what that really means).

    Sorry to see the finale this week but am looking forward to more years!
     
  16. jr461

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    That would be the natural sequence of questions in that circumstance and I think the goal was for the audience to actually see Paige find out that her mother didn't even know how many people she's killed. Why wouldn't they show that scene? If the viewers are that intelligent is any dialogue needed? :p

    I think they are handling Paige's evolution into their world very well, asking the kinds of questions and follow ups that we would be thinking and want verbalized and don't typically see on shows. She calls them out on their vague answers when most shows would just let it go.
     
  17. DeDondeEs

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    They must be saving budget money for the finale since the first half of this episode was mostly filmed in the dark or at night (a pet peeve of mine since it puts me to sleep). The dialogue was really slow moving as well with long pauses between people talking and lots of scenes with people just sitting there contemplating. Although the build-up in the last 10 minutes or so made it all worth it. Stinks that next week in the season finale.

    Also I am going to challenge the historical accuracy as to how Paige and Elizabeth responded when the kid from across the street just came in and interrupted their viewing of a soap opera. Based on my childhood research, and given the absence of DVR's and rarity of VCR's for that time-frame, most women I knew at the time wouldn't respond that kindly to someone just coming in and turning off their soap opera and hooking a computer up to the TV. :D Although admittedly Elizabeth didn't seem that into the soaps.
     
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  18. astrohip

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    I got the impression she was only watching it because Paige was home "sick", and they were doing some mama-dochka bonding.

    HEADS UP! There are some issues with DVRs/TiVos recording the season finale of The Americans. More info in the Season Pass thread...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=541023
     
  19. DevdogAZ

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    I didn't have any problem with Elizabeth's reaction, but I definitely agree about Paige's. She should have said, "Hey wait a second, I'm watching something here. Wait until it's over."
     
  20. oscarfish

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    When Henry went out to the garage to get the cables or adapters or whatever it was he was getting I thought he would stumble onto P&E's toy stash. But he didn't. I guess there is still next week.

    I'll double down on the long-shot that he finds Martha's gun and it somehow makes its way to Stan.

    I'm starting to feel like this season was one long tease. Lots of hints at little plot points that will make sense later, but I'm getting an unpleasant feeling that once the show got renewed, resolution to anything other than William thing is going to be left to another season.

    I really have enjoyed this season more than last season, but I find that I'm watching more and more of each episode via QuickPlay. Everything in the FBI and Soviet embassy get's normal play. Every scene that doesn't move the story forward, QuickPlay.
     

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