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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by dswallow, May 30, 2018.
I think I expected more about the aftermath. It just sort of ended.
The entire episode could have just been the scene with Stan in the garage and Paige getting off the train.
The rest was filler.
They certainly saved on the dialogue.and filled in with music montages.
And Renee...I think she was a spy
so which is the right thread?? I think this might have been first?
Stan just lets them go. Nuts.
On the train, I thought for sure one of them was gonna get popped. Then we don't see the Border Patrol guys check Paige. Train is on the move. Paige is on the platform!! She got popped?! Nope. She is not in custody. She just left.
How long did it go with no dialog? From the announcement of the train stop to Philip telling Arkady Ivanovich to pull over? Does that announce even count as dialog? It wasn't exactly spoken by a character on screen? I guess it started when "With or Without You" started to play while outside the McDonalds. 20 minutes or so, I think.
Where is Claudia?
How can Paige keep living as Paige? Surely she gets picked up eventually.
I thought maybe when they got back to Russia, they would get taken out.
Man... What a TV series this was.
Horrible ending. Unfortunately, this is what people will talk about when they talk about this series. The show that never ended.
What a colossal waste of acting talent, good writing, show pacing, and drama, especially over the final season.
well. I guess it keeps the possibility of some sort of sequel/follow up wide open.
When he first asked to stop the car, I thought they were going to be looking at the first McDonald's in the USSR (or at least a "COMING SOON") sign. I guess the timing doesn't work because it opened in January 1990, so a little over two years after they fled into Canada.
This thread wins by one minute.
That scene in the parking garage was intense. I knew there was still over 30 minutes of show left so I knew that wasn't going to be the ending, but I didn't see how they were going to escape. Stan just letting them go would never have entered my mind if you gave me 100 guesses. I'm kind of surprised there wasn't some talk of defecting. Especially after Elizabeth found out what was going on and burned her Bridges with the KGB.
Philip telling Stan that Renee might also be a spy was totally diabolical. Stan will never trust anyone again.
I felt really bad for Henry. And I'm not sure what Paige thinks she's gonna do. The rest of the episode was kind of weak.
While I probably won't list this as an all-time best finale, I think it was a good and appropriate ending. We don't deserve a happy ending and neither did Phillip & Elizabeth. This is a show where the characters we "rooted" for manipulated and killed dozens of people over their career. The main antagonist (Stan) should have been the good guy.
I think the scene in the parking lot was great. I really had no idea what would happen. Does Stan arrest the? Does he shoot them? Do P&E&P escape? If so, will Elizabeth shoot Stan to get away? I was on the edge of my seat that whole scene. And for Phillip to tell Stan that he wasn't sure about Renee, just about killed Stan. But, Phillip did that as a friend. There was no ulterior motive.
I think the second best scene was P&E seeing Paige on the train platform. The horror and sadness on their faces when they realized they would likely never see their children again was heartbreaking.
I think this finale lends itself to forming our own opinions on what happens to the characters.
Henry - He is going to be lost. I actually don't see Stan taking Henry under his wing. Henry will always be a reminder to Stan of what was right there in front of his face. Hopefully Henry gets "adopted" by some of his rich friends. Or maybe he goes and lives with Paige.
Paige - I think Paige can get out of this. One, the only person that "knows" she was working with P&E is Stan. But, he can never reveal that he was in the garage with the three of them. She turns herself in to the FBI and says "My parents came and took me away saying that we had to leave the country. I never knew what they did for a living, but I was a little suspicious of their comings and goings as I grew older." Paige never did any of the bad stuff, just some light surveillance. She can probably never get a government job, but she (and Henry) can start a new life.
Stan - His career with the FBI is over. Even if it never comes out that he let P&E go, the fact that he was a neighbor and friends with Russian illegals for so many years will haunt him for the rest of FBI career. Maybe he gets himself reassigned to a field office in Des Moines working kidnappings, but he won't last. He and Renee will divorce as he can never trust her 100% anymore.
Phillip & Elizabeth - They are back in the USSR, but it is not the country they left. Perestroika is well underway. They will be lost very soon.
This show has been an uneven but enjoyable show to watch for the last 6 years. Sad to see it go.
Well put, and I agree with most of this. I've read a few reviews about the finale and all were praising it. I watched it and thought...that was it? I was a bit disappointed. Not that it was bad, but it didn't resolve a thing and they lat the "bad guys" go. But I started thinking about it. The show has always been about relationships. And that's what the finale was about. P&E's relationship. Philip and Stan's relationship. The two kids relationships with their parents and each other (I think back to S1 when Henry and Paige were younger and the episode where they got lost, which showed that Paige was tougher than she seems). I think they actually summed up the relationships well. P&E do feel love for each other, but at what cost? They lost their two kids. Stan just couldn't bring himself to bring down P&E, his best friends. He just couldn't do it. Paige always wanted to be independent, and in the end, she got there, but at what cost? Coming home to an empty apartment, with really no idea what do to. Henry, devastated. Was it because he was in the dark the whole time? Because his parents abandoned him? I think it was right for Stan to break the news to him. And so forth.
I think what happened to Claudia was tied up last week. She's going to go home.
There was some nice symbolism. Them going to McDonalds, essentially the symbol of American glut, and a recognizable American symbol around the world worked well. That is the life they are leaving behind. Riding with Arkady in that Russian box, shows the stark difference. Did they know Arkady before this episode?
I wonder if they are going to consider a movie or some sequel. I'd like to see it set 5 years later after the fall of the USSR. Commercialism coming to the USSR. Paige, becoming an independent business person, maybe in LA, Hollywood agent or something. Henry goes into Law enforcement, protected by Stan keeping his secret. He resents his parents and his goal in life is to find them. Stan becomes a PI, since his life in the FBI is ruined. He wants to find the truth about Renee, so he inquires various sources, including Oleg who gets out of prison after 5 years, goes back to the new Russia and becomes and oligarch in the Agra business. P&E just live normal lives, with P thriving in the growing Russian tourism industry and E becoming an artist of some renown. Stan's inquires into Renee lead him to finding out some information on P & E. Since he keeps in touch with Henry he tells him that. And that's where the story goes. I don't know, just food for thought
Still digesting all of this.
I really thought at least Philip and Elizabeth were going to get caught, even after Stan let them go. At the border going to Canada. Or if not then, when they got back to the USSR, they would have been taken out by some KGB guys that were still pissed at them for being disobedient.
Thinking more about Paige. I guess she just plays dumb? I suppose that works as officially, the FBI doesn't suspect her. But that's gonna be awkward if she ever sees Stan again. The empty apartment we see her return to. That wasn't hers. It was Claudia's, wasn't it?
I think it was Claudia's apartment as well. A way of showing that there is no one left from that life for her. Just a bottle of frozen vodka.
I thought the ending was very good. Satisfying, to me. And Philip, after running the escape plan, getting everything organized, still had that moment where he had to tell Elizabeth that "...maybe I should stay a while, year or so, help the kids adjust, maybe move to California..."Then the realization he is being an idiot. But the notion, desire, was there.
But is Paige not even going to see Henry again? How does that work? She went back to the DC area where she has lived all her life. She's not in disguise. You would think at the some point, the FBI sees she's around again.
I was satisfied also - loved it in fact (surprised to read so many negative comments...)
I was hoping to get to see Martha again but realize it may have seemed out of place.
And told you all - - - Laurie Holden IS a Russian!!!!
I jumped up when Phillip told Stan he didn't know for sure but thought Renee might be - I'm kinda glad they didn't tell us one way or another, but they sure made it seem like she is.
I thought for a second there Stan was going to get killed.
As we can only speculate, but I think her best chance is the turn herself in to the FBI and essentially play dumb. "I had no idea my parents were Russian spies! I really need to talk to my brother and make sure he is OK." Paige never did anything more than some simple observation work.
It is an ending to think about. One thing that gets me wondering is the dream E had on the train. She was sleeping with black guy and we saw the painting. What did it represent? Does she still want freedom as an artist away from P especially now that the kids are gone?
The dream was while she was on the plane. You can hear the background noise of being on an airplane during that scene
I thought it was very good. The resolution to the Renee question was perfect. The unknown future of P&E are good representations of the turmoil in the USSR. The country begins to crumble just months later.
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I think another story they link to in there is really good read
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