Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles "Gnothi Seauton" 01/14/2008 *spoilers*

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  1. Jan 15, 2008 #41 of 219
    wmcbrine

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    Not as good as the pilot, but good enough. Can anyone explain the title? Pun? Anagram?

    The problem with the fleshless head hadn't hit me (even after they just came through naked in the pilot), but yeah. Now I'll try to justify it... First, the whole "living flesh" thing never made much sense. There's nothing magical about living flesh. It's just matter. Second -- how well do they understand this time travel technology, anyway? My impression from the first movie was that it was pretty experimental. Suppose they made this observation (people come through naked), but were wrong about the conclusion (only "living flesh" and things within it can travel)? What if the other stuff went through, but ended up at different times/places? (The head came through much later than the others, though it must've entered only seconds later than them.) Of course you'd still have to explain the separation mechanism.

    Alternate explanation: How fleshless was the head at the time it entered the... uh... wormhole? Was it still burning off?
     
  2. Jan 15, 2008 #42 of 219
    bsnelson

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    I noticed it immediately, and what's even better, I have my wife trained! I rewound it, paused it and said "Nice!". It only took her a couple of seconds to start rolling her eyes. :D

    Brad
     
  3. Jan 15, 2008 #43 of 219
    atrac

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    It's obvious there are a lot of Summer Glau fans because of Firefly, but no love for Lena Headey? She looks INCREDIBLE in this show. I mean WOW.
     
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    balboa dave

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    It's Greek for "know yourself," and a Ralph Waldo Emerson poem.

    It entered at the same time, but had such velocity from the gun's (plasma rifle?) energy blast it was flung pretty far away.
    Bingo! This is the most probable explanation.
     
  5. Jan 15, 2008 #45 of 219
    wmcbrine

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    Didn't it also come through at a later time? Or am I misremembering?

    She's cool and all, but I couldn't help thinking that Sonya Walger (also in this episode) looks a lot more like Linda Hamilton. :)
     
  6. Jan 15, 2008 #46 of 219
    jradford

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    I have a theory to help explain the robots head.

    It's known you must have a human tissue layer to time travel. Perhaps, you CAN time travel without the human tissue, but you just don't land in one piece? Man, that is weak. I have no idea. I hope the producers have some article in EW next month explaining it.
     
  7. Jan 15, 2008 #47 of 219
    balboa dave

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    It came through with the time bubble, but what might be confusing everyone is that it wasn't shown in the pilot, but during this episode's recap.
     
  8. Jan 15, 2008 #48 of 219
    balboa dave

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    One thing I've realized about this show is it cannot be viewed casually to enjoy everything it offers. Easily half of the questions asked by everyone in this and the pilot's threads have clear answers, but only if you paid complete attention to the show. I thought I was, but there's been a few posts pointing out some inside jokes I missed. And wmcbrine's guess that the terminator head did have flesh when it went into the bubble, but was burning off, was inspired. The producers and writers are packing a lot of information in a small amount of time, and seem to be trusting the viewers to keep up.

    I'm quite surprised the jokes have been almost completely overlooked or misinterpreted. From the pilot, Cameron looking at the bank's keystone, dated 1963. That should have clued everyone that the "safety deposit box" she referred to was the entire vault. Or the substitute teacher terminator's departing comment after attacking John, "Class dismissed."

    Maybe they've overestimated their audience. Or more hopefully, everyone can catch on and start paying a little bit closer attention. And instead of getting all hot, bothered, or even dismissive about, oh the horrors, departure from canon, trust that the writer's did have a reason for a given scene, and speculate as to what it was. I can understand not liking the choice, but to assume they got it wrong is well, even more wrong.
     
  9. Jan 15, 2008 #49 of 219
    Jeeters

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    Yes. I meant that because the head was dead, the eyes had clouded over making them useless for the terminator body use, even if it had the ability to do so.
     
  10. Jan 15, 2008 #50 of 219
    Jeeters

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    I love the little one liners they have Cameron toss out. Another one that comes to mind is when she was hit by the car in this second episode and told the people inside the car something like, "Please remain calm."

    All nice nods to Arnold's one liners in T1 & T2.
     
  11. Jan 15, 2008 #51 of 219
    smallwonder

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    I thought the best line of the night was when Sarah turned to Summernator in the rebels' apartment, all of them facing the safe, and says "Do your thing, girlie." Cracked me up! The second best was her deadpan response to Summer telling her that John had just given her a diamond: "Good for you."

    Lena Headley is tré cool in this role.
     
  12. Jan 15, 2008 #52 of 219
    bubba1972

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    The human tissue rule was already broken in T2 when liquid metal guy time travelled.
     
  13. Jan 15, 2008 #53 of 219
    bryan314

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    My guess is Cameron is his daughter. Cam mentions that Sarah used to read to John (Wizard of Oz?) in spanish. That's something a father would reminisce to a daughter about his own mother.

    Now the question is, was she bio, died, and had memories uploaded or did he raise a terminator as his own daughter?
     
  14. Jan 15, 2008 #54 of 219
    BeanMeScot

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    That was my thought. At least that's how I am going to justify it! ;)
     
  15. Jan 15, 2008 #55 of 219
    IndyJones1023

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    Of course, the head jumped out at me, too. No pun intended.

    In my mind, I can justify it that it was sucked thru on the outside of the time bubble.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2008 #56 of 219
    vman41

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    A daughter you could program to follow your orders, wouldn't that be great!
     
  17. Jan 15, 2008 #57 of 219
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Forget the head. Let's pretend that it has a believable explanation.
    The terminator body is what I want to know about. How does it not get found in the bank? How did it not end up in a lab somewhere?
     
  18. Jan 15, 2008 #58 of 219
    IndyJones1023

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    Agreed. The body lying around a junk yard for 8 years is the more eggregious error.
     
  19. Jan 15, 2008 #59 of 219
    Turtleboy

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    It's interesting that they made this show the Sarah Connor chronicles, and not the John Connor Chronicles. She's the star, not him.

    Also, I wonder when they'll meet his father Kyle, as a baby of course.
     
  20. Jan 15, 2008 #60 of 219
    hummingbird_206

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    Thanks for posting this. I way didn't get it...not geek enough I guess.:D

    I'm not loving, but also not hating, this show. I really like Summer (been a fan since Firefly). But I don't get some of the actions of Cameron. At school she acted like a 'normal' teenager. Didn't really get any sense that she was a machine until she got shot. Then all of the sudden she starts acting/talking more like a machine...which is OK, I think it's entertaining, especially the one liners, but I don't get why she could act like a normal student, and then suddenly she acts like a machine?

    I hope they don't rely too much on the machines fighting each other. That's already gotten boring real quick for me...how many walls do they have to throw each other through? I did enjoy Sarah tossing Cameron out the window...John's reaction to that was pretty funny.
     

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