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  1. Sep 18, 2020 #41 of 105
    cmontyburns

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    * Spoilers for Episode 8, "Diamond Dogs" from this point. *

    I like this show so much that I've watched every episode two or three times, and I'll definitely need to do so with this one. There was a lot going on, and it was tonally all over the place. That's not bad; but it make it a little harder to tell on first watch how well it was all working. So maybe some quick thoughts:

    Interesting that Jamie is under the impression Ted let him go. Surely that will be an issue before the end of the season. Next week, presumably, since Jamie is now on Man City and they'll be in town to play Richmond.

    I'm glad they didn't do too much with the Diamond Dogs concept. Honestly I'm not even sure they should have gone to it a second time. Higgins and Nathan are both coming out of their repressed shells fairly organically thanks to Ted, but this felt like maybe it was a little too loose for their characters.

    Likewise Ted was maybe back to being a little too hammy in this one. I thought they had him nicely calibrated for most of the season, but maybe tipped the scale just a bit too much here. Or maybe I am being too judgmental and not curious enough.

    I did like the bar scene. I entertained a moment's thought that Ted would lose, although then he wouldn't have been Rebecca's St Bernard. I mentioned recently that I'd seen some reviews that Ted was a little hard to root for because it seemed like he never really lost. I think that's OK, actually; I don't need Ted to be a savant or a superhero, but there's value in showing a world where decency is a strength that lands you on your feet. That, and a wicked darts game.

    Glad they are driving to, apparently, making Rebecca pick a lane. They've done a good job of showing the pain of her relationship with Rupert and why it makes her act the way she does, but at some point she becomes irredeemable (or her redeeming actions get invalidated) if she just always regresses into the same vindictive person. They've yawed back and forth between the two extremes in kind of an irreconcilable fashion these last two episodes, so it's time to commit her one way or the other.

    Roy: "Does my face look like it's in the mood for shape-based jokes?"
    Ted: "No, Roy, it does not. But in my defense, it almost never does."
     
  2. Sep 21, 2020 #42 of 105
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    The show is very cliched. Fish out of water coach who winds up coaching the team to success. Fans hate him and he turns them around, team thinks he's nuts and then turns out to love him. We've seen this a million times. But it's done so well and the characters are fun, and you want to root for them. I know there are so many people out there that just hate cliches, the same old thing and so forth, but if it's really well done, then who cares? I'm enjoying it immensely.
     
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    What I also find intriguing in this show is that F bombs are dropped everywhere...but Ted never curses.
     
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    * Spoilers for E09 · All Apologies" from this point. *

    What is the answer to the English owl? My guess was 'whom'
     
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    That was all I could come up with, too.
     
  6. Sep 28, 2020 #46 of 105
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    So any predictions for how the season will turn out? Will they go the cliche tropey route and have Richmond win the match against Man City to avoid relegation, making Ted the hero and saving his job? Or will Richmond lose and be relegated and the season ends on the cliffhanger of whether Ted will be fired? Obviously we know if the show has been renewed he's not going to be fired, but I think this season was in the can before the renewal decision, so it's possible the writers crafted the season finale with the intention that viewers wouldn't know whether the show is coming back. Frankly, I think the loss and relegation would result in the more interesting stories for Season 2, and would avoid the overdone cliche of the scrappy underdogs winning in the end. But I'm not sure if the writers have the courage to take the road less traveled.

    Also, I'm really loving this show. The scene where Ted forgave Rebecca and they hugged, that was really well done.
     
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    I don't see them being relegated. I agree it's much more interesting in some respects, but, I just think for this particular story line, they won't do it. I think they need the big win at the end. I think the season will end with Rebecca and Ted kissing, in bed something like that.
     
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    I've inferred the meaning of "relegation" by context, but as I am not a soccer/football fan I'm not well-versed in it. Presumably it's the equivalent of, say, an American division I team being sent to division II for a season? Like, they're still playing competitively, and can still win a title at their level, but it wouldn't be a considered a "national" title?
     
  9. Sep 28, 2020 #49 of 105
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    From what I understand, that's the concept. I don't think that could work in the major American sports. The disparity in population between AAA cities and MLB for example is pretty big, not to mention the facilities for second level teams is quite a bit smaller.
     
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    I waited and we binged episodes 1-9 Saturday and Sunday/ Really enjoyed it. I have noticed a lot of shows usually negotiate a 2 season deal up front. I don't know about this one but I believe it's pretty easy to set a finale to go either way. Yes they will most likely win but they could easily have filmed and inserted a final scene based upon renewal that:

    • Shows Evil Rebecca Ex buying another team
    • Shows Evil Rebecca Ex discovering bad stuff about Ted

    It would not surprise me if they delve into why Ted is so positive and optimistic even his now ex-wife said that was too much for her. It's possible he grew up in a family that was evil bad or bipolar bad and he had a change of heart moment. I fully expect them to explore that.
     
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    Or maybe it's like Ned Flanders's origin story:
     
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    yuck
     
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    I have watched a number of British shows that have the very slow burn romance developing. Miss Fisher Murder Mysteries being an example and they just tease you constantly but they actually did not even kiss till the last scene of the last episode.

    So I could see this show going this route but they have much more stories and character to develop before that happens.
     
  14. Sep 28, 2020 #54 of 105
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    Like the last episode, I had to watch this one a couple of times to decide how well it worked.

    I've said before that Sudeikis has done a really good job this season modulating his performance of a character that could easily go over the top. I think in the last episode and this one especially he's lost his calibration a bit, as Ted (this time especially) has been a little too frantic in spots.

    Coach Beard was entirely correct in upbraiding Ted, but he is normally so taciturn that his explosion and investment in winning (though, again, correct) was kind of a surprise. I'm not sure that scene worked entirely. At first I also felt it was a bit of a sell-out of Ted, who has always been shown to go about things in a different way, but with a method to his madness, i.e. that winning will follow from work on the players as people. On reflection though, I think they played fair with him, as he has said numerous times throughout the season that his focus is on the people first and the results second. Fair for Beard to have to remind him that at the pro level, those things need to be at least equal. But I think they should have hinted at this tension sooner than the penultimate episode.

    On the plus side of the ledger, really lovely work by Hannah Waddingham. Her scene of apology and reconciliation with Ted was really affecting. it was truly nice to see her and Higgins relaxed and laughing in her office at the end.
     
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    English football league system - Wikipedia

    Basically, there are 20 teams in the Premiere League (Level 1). Each season, the bottom three teams are relegated to Level 2 and three teams from Level 2 are promoted. There are a bunch of levels with promotion and relegation between all of them. Theoretically a team could start at a very low club level and win its level multiple years and end up in the Premiere League. 49 different clubs have played at the Premiere League level since 1992.

    There’s not really anyway to compare it to American sports, as we don’t have interconnected leagues like they do.
     
  16. Sep 29, 2020 #56 of 105
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    Well, that at least clues me in to why it’s called the Premier League.
     
  17. Sep 29, 2020 #57 of 105
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    Why yuck? It's been obvious they've been building up to that all season. In fact when Ted wound up sleeping with Rebecca's bestie, many thought it was going to Rebecca. Yeah, I guess the reaction is that it's kind of cliche. Nothing wrong with cliche if it works though.
     
  18. Sep 29, 2020 #58 of 105
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    I don't think that's obvious at all.
     
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    Yeah I haven’t seen that either. Not that there were absolutely no hints at all. Just that I don’t think they’ve been building to that.
     
  20. Sep 29, 2020 #60 of 105
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    Hints that were pretty clear to me:

    1) Attractive older woman who's divorced from rich husband
    2) Ted giving her pastries every day which she loves (subtle here at the beginning for sure, but the type of thing in RomComs that's the start of a romance)
    3) Ted getting a divorce himself. If he wasn't going to "meet" someone, why write that into the script?
    4) The bestie misdirection that we saw a few episodes ago
    5) Ted vs. Rebecca's ex is endearing to her. You could see it after the darts game. There's a spark there.

    Maybe it's not out and out OBVIOUS, but there's a lot of more than subtle hints. Plus that's a common trope in a show that's really very "tropy".
     

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