TE3 vs TE4 - why do you like/dislike one vs the other?

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by barnabas1969, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. Donbadabon

    Donbadabon Bored TCF Club

    Mar 5, 2002
    Nashville, TN


    I upgraded from TE4 back to TE3 and don't miss the auto-skip or the guide at all.

    I love that I have my TiVo-2 (to do list) and TiVo-4 (search) shortcuts back. I hated it when TE4 changed those classic shortcuts to something else, and then changed again.

    I love how I can move in 30 minute increments in the guide. I hated how TE4 would shift the whole page based on blocks of hours.

    And of course no pre-rolls, and no TiVo +
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  2. jmccorm

    jmccorm Special Forum Guest

    Oct 8, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Loved HDMI-CEC and other inputs taking the screen as needed. It worked great with TE4. I also liked (in general) that the new menus had more pep. They ran fast enough so they were no longer a problem.

    Yet at this very moment I'm reverting to TE3. I wasn't getting pre-roll ads (thank God or I might have ragequit) but I was getting the Guide spam that made it hard for my brain to quickly scan a screen at a time while excluding the spam line for a fake channel.

    One of the major headaches was in searching for a particular episode across providers:

    When I press [SELECT] then "A" on a program to see which of my enabled on-demand service providers had it (Cox Contour, Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, Amazon Prime), almost always the answer was Amazon, Amazon Prime, and that's it. Even a program was available on one of the other providers, it would usually just tell me that Amazon (Prime) had it.

    So many times it lies and tells me that an episode is free on Amazon Prime. I go to Amazon Prime (through the TiVo) interface and it is not. When I cared enough to go to it through my Amazon Kindle, it was free. No idea what's going on there.

    If I followed that up by going into TiVo's menu, going to Search, and finding that very same program (same episode and title), it WOULD correctly find all the choices across my providers. I don't know why the two different search functions yield different results, but the one in [Select] "A" seems to have issues.

    Another major headache was in viewing programs that were recorded and locally stored on the DVR:

    The whole bar to the left (starting with All Recordings and ending with Devices) was understated and ended up confusing people at times on why their programs had disappeared but were still there if they searched for them.

    What I hated was that some programs were stored in different ways. I wanted everything sorted by record date no matter what. Yet it seems that for some programs I'd have to select the newest item from the bottom of the list of recorded episodes and other items where I'd find that same item at the TOP of the list. It never really made sense.

    Voice control was neat but not a game changer.

    Anyhow, I'll be staying at TE3 until this TiVo+ absurdity gets sorted out.
  3. tommiet

    tommiet Active Member

    Oct 28, 2005
    I would guess that most people who never had used TE3 would not care. With over 300 channel, the VOX command is my wife's best friend to find a channel or search for a show. I've had both and I'm fine with TE4. Yeah, the ads sux, but not a show stopper.

    Folks still are running windows XP and are happy.... If your happy with staying with the old tech.... go for it! What nags me are the TE3 folks that toss rocks at the TE4 folks.

    I've said it before... the TE3 folks need their own forum..... That way they can ignore the TE4 issues.
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  4. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    That was suggested when TE4 was released. It went nowhere. Maybe if the TiVo startup screens would have borders with TE3 or TE4 around them, people would know which they were using.
  5. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004


    Can you imagine the meltdowns people would have :confused: A border taking their valuable screen space...Let's do it ;):eek::D:D
  6. Willy92

    Willy92 Member

    Oct 12, 2018
    Los Angeles
    I don't get it,...I've been with Tivo since '99, all the "penny-anny" things that people complain about is crazy to me.

    Look at all the changes that your phone has gone through over the years, or even your car(if you drive newer cars), no more cd players for instance, nobody cares, you just adjust to the times.

    As I've said before, I'm fine with TE4.
  7. tapokata

    tapokata Active Member

    Apr 26, 2017
    Sacramento, CA
    I don't find TE4 to be the devil's spawn, or whatever. I have a non-Vox 500GB original Bolt running TE4 on the TV I primarily use. I haven't seen preroll ads yet. I like the automated commercial skip function, and the windows seem sharper and with a bit more zip to them, but that's a very subjective view. The wife has TE3 running on a different non-Vox (upgraded to a 3 TB drive). We didn't move her up, as she was very happy with the TE3 interface and the available apps, is used to it, and didn't want to change. Both Bolts are configured for OTA reception, connecting via ethernet.

    At some point, when the hardware fails or the app support falters (as was the case with our previous series 3 HD units), we will transition over to FireTV- if she has to learn a new interface, I'd rather she get comfortable with the fireTV, especially in that the primary viewing screen she uses has that OS running native. I have a 4 tuner FTV dvr on the network, connected to a 4TB Usb drive.
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  8. Davelnlr_

    Davelnlr_ N5GGG

    Jan 12, 2011
    These are the reasons I reverted to TE3. I like the live guide, and make use of thumbs rating suggestions.
    I won't even start on how inappropriate pre-roll ads are.
  9. Chuck_IV

    Chuck_IV Active Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Just reverted my Bolt back to TE3. The reason was after screwing with my Netgear router to try and block the preroll ads, the Bolt got a Blocked By Netgear Firewall cookie in it that seemed to only be removable by to a reset/delete everything

    So I took the opportunity to downgrade while I was at it. I will say the look and feel does take some getting used to again. But once you start using it again, it all comes back and you don’t miss much.

    The things that make TE3 a keeper are...

    - It seems the fast forward to a tick mark works properly every time and doesn’t stop you a few minutes short of the next tick sometimes.

    - After a recording, it doesn’t auto pause other tuners after leaving them, so when you return you aren’t on live tv anymore.

    - NO MORE PREROLL ADS or having to reboot to clear the ads in the guide(via PiHole).

    - I’m hoping this clears up the need to reboot my tuning adapter as often as I’ve had to on TE4, which is about weekly these days. It was never this bad on TE3.

    - I actually prefer the top to bottom list method of showing things vs the side scroller bars they use on TE4.

    I really wish TE3 still had the color in it vs the lame silver logos and other things. I was at my niece’s place over the holidays and they have TiVo via Suddenlink, which still has the color in it instead of all silver and it looks so much better IMO.

    TiVo’s has really lost its way, starting with the silver logo/everything and then TE4 IMO.

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  10. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2008
    I like the stability of TE3 because it's not being updated.
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  11. Chuck_IV

    Chuck_IV Active Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    So one other thing I like with TE3 vs TE4 which I haven’t seen anyone else mention(it may not be something that annoyed other like it did me)...

    When viewing the guide and you use the arrow keys to move one line up/down from what is currently visible, the entire guide would do a full new page scroll and if say you were scrolling up, you would then be at the bottom of the screen and vice verse. This was actually annoying to me and I’d have to relocate where I was at on the screen.

    With TE3, it simply moves the guide up or down one line. If you want to move a full page, you can still use the channel up/down(like on TE4).

    Now that I have all my TiVo’s back to TE3, it’s pretty nice. Luckily we really never used auto skip or VOX(we use universal remotes) so we aren’t missing any real features and we gained some back.

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  12. lujan

    lujan Active Member

    May 24, 2010
    It's probably not a big issue for most people but I do miss that with TE3 you could see 3 hours at a time in 1 hour increments of the guide. TE4 seems to have a weird way of showing the guide that is not nearly as good as the guide on TE3.
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  13. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

    May 28, 2005
    New Mexico...
    Yes, this was mentioned a few time early on with this HORRIBLE TE4 software, but has not generated much attention since then. To me, it is one of the REALLY bad UI features that makes trying to use TE4 a miserable experience. I often bring up the guide and want to configure the display with a specific channel at the top so that I can see all of the other channels near it on the same screen. With HORRIBLE TE4, the only way to do this is go back to live TV, tune to the channel I want on the top of the Guide display, and then bring up guide. I specifically brought this up to TiVo engineers during some testing, and I was basically told "Tough, that's the way we do it now".

    Even worse is the way HORRIBLE TE4 behaves when you bring up the MY SHOWS list that they finally gave us back after suffering for a year of comic-book panels. Now when you see a program you want down in the middle of the MY SHOWS list and try to move down to it easily by just holding down the arrow button, after the 4th show on the list, it just pages the entire list so you cannot get to the show you wanted at all without stopping, paging back, and slowly moving the cursor focus one program at a time until you finally get there without the asinine software changing pages on you! Just another one of the many things that makes TE4 HORRIBLE to me.

    There are also HORRIBLE changes to the way TE4 uses tuners: With TE3, you can set all your tuners to specific channels so you can jump between them while preserving the buffers, then just use one tuner to scroll or surf channels without changing all the rest. NOT SO with HORRIBLE TE4! With that nasty software, if you try to use just one tuner to surf while leaving the others alone, it will 'almost' randomly switch tuners on you and start changing channels on all the other tuners instead of leaving them where you wanted them left. Once again, the TiVo engineers told me 'That's the way we want it to operate now, so shut up and go away.' It is not really random, but the effect is the same on the user - a HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE.

    If I choose to leave a tuner set on a particular show or channel and deliberately change to a different tuner, then the one I chose to leave set SHOULD NEVER CHANGE BEHIND MY BACK unless TiVo needs it for a scheduled recording. That is implied by the very fact that we have a button to jump between tuners instead of just having to let the box choose for us which tuner to use. That is a pretty simple concept, but Bad_Rovi just can't seem to understand what a good user "experience" should be.
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  14. danxmanly

    danxmanly Member

    Jan 8, 2005
    Been awhile since I’ve been on these forums... jumped back in to see how their new streaming 4K device would interface with our existing setups...and appears it doesn’t.. yet.

    Decided to pursue this thread as I’m still hanging on to TE3 on my Roamio ( 6tb drive upgrade ), and vox units... and although I’m tempted to try TE4, it’s not worth it as I would lose all my recordings if I rolled back. Can’t off load any shows being as Spectrum sets that cc flag on every thing....

    Guess if the 4K streaming device eventually would tie into all are existing hardware, but forced me to upgrade I’d do it...but just not seeing enough people in “love” with TE4 to try it now.
  15. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Well, TE4 is pretty . . . . ;)
  16. Chuck_IV

    Chuck_IV Active Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Do you have another TiVo? If so, move the recordings to the other TiVo. Between doing that and just deleting things that’s we just felt we wouldn’t watch anyway, I was able to downgrade.

    It must be a regional thing with Spectrum. I have Spectrum and yes some key channels are copy protected but not a ton.

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  17. lhvetinari

    lhvetinari Watching telly, drinking wine - Lily Allen TCF Club

    Jun 24, 2019
    If you can't offload (transfer), you can't move them between TiVos either. Spectrum is a conglomeration of separate networks - the CCI byte abuse (and that's what it is, abuse) is endemic in former TWC and BHN systems, particularly.
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  18. kflinch

    kflinch Member

    May 19, 2004
    Philly Suburbs
    I have the base Roamio, OTA/Cable, 4 tuner model. I tried TE4 for about 2 days. While the TE4 UI is visually more modern looking, I missed the ability to use kmttg to transfer recordings from the Tivo to a networked PC. I also missed the ability to stream videos stored on a networked PC to the Tivo via Streambaby. These are deal breakers for me. I also noticed the functionality of some the buttons on the remote changed. For example the Zoom button no longer changed the aspect ratio (Zoom didn't zoom). I had to perform research and re-learn how to use the remote.
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  19. Chuck_IV

    Chuck_IV Active Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    I do see your other points but when I was on TE4, I never had any issues using kmttg to transfer from the TiVo to the PC. Going the opposite direction(PC to TiVo) was the issue.

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  20. Digital Man

    Digital Man Member

    Jan 2, 2013
    OK, so does kmttg work with TE4 or not? My Bolt+ just died so I've already lost all my recordings. When I get the replacement is the time I'll need to decide which software to run. Support for kmttg is essential for me so I hopefully can avoid losing all my recordings again.

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