TE3 vs TE4 - why do you like/dislike one vs the other?

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  1. barnabas1969

    barnabas1969 Active Member

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    I am happy with the CEC implementation. I can just push the Tivo button on the remote, and it turns on the TV & AVR, and selects the correct inputs. One button and done.

    My TV is a 2011 Samsung 64" plasma, model # PN64D8000 and my AVR is a Yamaha RX-A2010, if that is helpful to anyone.

    On a side note, I like the "peanut" remote. It would be nice if it was backlit though. And even better if it could be used to control components other than the Tivo and the TV/AVR power/volume/input. I've always been a big proponent of having one remote for everything.

    I haven't programmed my programmable remote to operate the Tivo yet. I use the same programmable remote for every room in my house. It is discontinued nowadays, but it is infinitely programmable using an open source tool called "Remote Master". I use the Acoustic Research ARRX18G. Ergonomically, I've never found a better remote. The Tivo "peanut" is just as good, ergonomically, but lacks the backlighting of the ARRX18G, and the touchscreen.

    When I bought the AR remotes, they were a LOT less expensive than the Harmony. The only feature they lack, when compared to a Harmony, is power state tracking. But if you are careful with the programming, that is not a problem.
     
  2. Megamind

    Megamind I'm Feeling Blue

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    When you add cameras, voice assistants, Fire TV and/or Chromecast devices, HDMI-CEC can be quite useful even when the remote is not involved. There were a lot of problems prior to the latest update, the TiVO going into Standby being the most prominent of them. Now it works well for me, with just one exception: with my hardware, pressing any button on the remote will 'unmute' the TV. Annoying, but not a major issue.

    This is why I preferred the slide remote. Aside from the handy keyboard, it was backlit and a couple of the buttons could 'learn" from other remotes. I still keep my Slide Remote nearby, but generally use the VOX because I like the search feature.
     
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  3. barnabas1969

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    My Media Center PC runs Free Open Source Software (FOSS) called Event Ghost (EG).

    EG is written in Python, and allows anyone to create "plugins".

    With EG, and the many available plugins, it is possible to do practically anything.

    I have written two of my own EG plugins.
     
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    barnabas1969 Active Member

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    I thiink that there is a strong possibility for EG and Tivo to coexist.
     
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    EG is built around "events".

    Events can originate from almost anywhere.

    Pressing a button on the Tivo remote can be an "event".

    Opening/closing a door can be an "event".

    Almost anything can be an "event".
     
  6. barnabas1969

    barnabas1969 Active Member

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    Hmmm. Well, it appears that nobody understands what I am talking about.

    I plan to pursue the integration between my new Tivo DVR and Event Ghost.

    For example, EG can "do something" when I press the PLAY button.
     
  7. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    I expect that many understand what you’re saying, but the post(s) didn’t seem to require a reply ... aside from being a good topic for another thread.
     
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  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Quoting for future reference...
     
  9. caseybea

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    OK so.... question here. I'm very late to the "TE4" game; only discovered it when I recently installed a new MINI VOX downstairs. (for now... downgraded it and I'm all set with TE3 on it and my bolt....... for now).

    One feature I use often is the ability to grab shows from my PyTIVO-setup computer, and watch them on my tivo. So I understand correctly that with TE4... this will be no longer possible?
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Correct. There is no way to transfer from PC to TiVo in TE4. They also removed the ability to transfer TiVo to TiVo, although there is a workaround for that using the online.tivo.com website.
     
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    Will the online.tivo.com website provide for transferring from a pause point (like at the last 10 minutes of a 6-hour game)?
     
  12. exdishguy

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    While I liked their TE4 CEC implementation from a "push the Tivo button" to turn on my AVR/TV, etc. all at once, I do not like what they do when muting. If I mute something while using TE3 I can navigate menus, guide, etc. and it remains muted. With TE4 just about any button presses unmutes for some reason (I can't recall what buttons keeps mute on).
     
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    +1

    Related to this are the number of buttons presses to delete a single recorded show in My Shows. In TE3 I select the show and hit clear. Done. TE4 requires an addition 2-3 button presses if I recall.

    It would be interesting to quantify the number of button presses to accomplish the same task in TE3 vs. TE4 for many of the features. I'm no longer running TE4 on any of my boxes so I can't do it.
     
  14. zubinh

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    I resisted going to TE4 for a long time. I just did it a week ago knowing full well I would get pre roll ads. To be honest, I really like it! I never cared for the live guide or transfers to PC, I love how modern the UI looks and frankly, Auto skip is a big deal. My wife constantly forgets to hit skip during commercials, auto skip will be a nice time saver. I also like how the tuners are now displayed. There are certainly things that can be improved, not hitting left arrow is taking some getting used to and yes there are functions that were done with fewer clicks in TE3 but overall I like it. This weekend's project will be to link my Tivo and Echo dot for Alexa integration. Lastly, when I get the pre-roll ads, I'll just call Tivo to deactivate them.
     
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  15. JoeKustra

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    It's nice to have a choice.
     
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    What do you mean "...how the tuners are now displayed."? I haven't noticed anything regarding the tuners so I'm wondering?
     
  17. pfiagra

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    I’m guessing the RIGHT arrow, which toggles the available tuners.
     
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  18. zubinh

    zubinh Active Member

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    Correct on TE3 the programs on each tuner were displayed in a list whereas with TE4 a right click brings up the program logos on the right side of the screen.
     
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  19. bcoonfield

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    Do the restrictions on transferring a program from one TiVo to another discussed on this thread apply to VIEWING a show recorded on one TiVo from another one on the same network?. Suppose for example I am on a Bolt, and want to view a program recorded on a Premiere, or a TE3 Roamio, will that work seamlessly as it did when my network was all TE3? What if I am using a Mini, will I be able to view programs recorded on both TE3 and TE4 TiVos on the network?
     
  20. JoeKustra

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    It will be the same as if the whole network was TE3 or TE4, with slightly different menu navigation. Maybe not so slightly.
     
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