Swap two Premiere XL4s for one Roamio Pro

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  1. fred2

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    Okay, how to you "WATCH" as opposed to transfer? Or is it dependent on the Tivo models involved? My other tivo is a Series S3 of some sort. I just navigated to DVR S3, located a show and hit Select. I am offered TRANSFER, not watch. Oh, I should add, they are both on wifi, and not directly wired to a router, if that makes any difference.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    An S3 won't work. It must be a premiere or newer TiVo to stream to another TiVo premiere or Roamio.
     
  3. fred2

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    Thanks for the answer.

    That brings up another question. Is this Tivo to Tivo transfer slower than when I've used Pytivo to transfer from my computer to the S3? It seems quite slow but that's only a feeling. The Roamio is relatively new and I don't think I've used Pytivo to transfer to it yet.

    And a reason to potentially replace the S3 :eek:
     
  4. aaronwt

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    Transfer speeds from my Roamio Pro to my Roamio BAsic are over 90Mb/s.

    Transfer speeds from my Roamio Pro to a PC are over 170Mb/s using KMTTG.

    The Roamio Pro has a GigE port but the Roamio BAsic only has a 100BT connection so it's transfer rates will be under 100Mb/s.
     
  5. gigaguy

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    Transfer of shows here is very limited (and not really needed for me) since Time Warner blocks almost all transfers due to it's heavy copyright protection scheme. But streaming between my XL4 and Premiere works almost flawlessly, amazing to me considering it's all done via Wifi. Each Tivo shows up as a device on the Tivo window, you just navigate to it and pick shows like normal. You can delete shows too from either Tivo.
    great feature.
    I considered getting a Mini to use off my main Tivo but decided to keep my old Premiere and use it in the bedroom. I get full Tivos in 2 rooms with easy sharing (streaming) between them. (got the $99 Lifetime on the older TIvo) so kept it.
     
  6. Bigg

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    Yeah, 100mbps Ethernet is limited to ~93mbps in practice if you're lucky. My XL4 is a dog with transfers. I'm transferring some stuff off to my HTPC right now, which is connected via a gig switch, and it's barely managing 40mbps. Pathetic. The HTPC can take over 100MB/s from my laptop, so it's not the issue.
     
  7. Dan203

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    Yes. All other TiVos on your network will show up at the bottom of My Shows (or there is a new selection for them in the left column if you have that turned on) when you select one it will show you the My Shows list of that TiVo. Select any show and hit Play and it will play on the TiVo you're using instantly just as if it was stored on that TiVo. If the show is not copy protected you can also select it and select copy to this DVR and it will actually create a copy of the show on the TiVo you're using. However this is really only necessary if you're trying to free up space on one or you're moving stuff over to a new unit. Otherwise the streaming method works way better.

    S3 units can't stream. Premiere and newer units can. Also if you do need to transfer it's a LOT faster with newer units. Between two Roamio Pros, connected via gigabit switch, I can transfer a 1 hour HD show in a couple of minutes. Unlike the old S3 units I use to have where it took almost realtime.
     
  8. Bigg

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    How does that compare to TiVo Desktop? TiVo Desktop from a Premiere on a gig switch runs at about 3-4x realtime (35-40mbps with heavily compressed Comcast).
     
  9. Dan203

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    I have a MoCa network between my TiVo and PC, which is limited to 10/100 by the ethernet port on the MoCa bridge. But I just ran a test. I downloaded a 35 minute show, that was 2.84GB in size and it took exactly 4 minutes. The download meter in my browser was hovering between 11.2-11.4MBps the whole time, which is roughly 90Mbps, which is pretty much the max for a 10/100 network.

    Others who have pure gigabit between TiVo and PC report even faster speeds.
     
  10. Bigg

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    On a Roamio? The Premiere sure can't get those speeds...
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yep, that was Roamio Pro to PC over a 10/100 network. From what I understand you can get over 200Mbps if you have gigabit.
     
  12. Bigg

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    Nice. I can't really complain about the Premiere, the transfers work fine, but they aren't exactly blistering fast!
     
  13. aaronwt

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    I haven't tested TiVo Desktop speeds lately since I've been using KMTTG exclusively for the past few months. But with KMTTG and with my Roamio Pro using the GigE port, I will get over 170Mb/s throughput rates between them.

    Of course if the Roamio Pro is doing anything else on the network, like streaming to a Mini, then the transfer rates will be a little lower to/from the PC.
     
  14. Bigg

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    Nice. That's pretty good.
     
  15. loribigby

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    I have researched and researched so I thought maybe some of you could tell me the best set up. I have two Tivo Premieres series 4 (two tuners) and one Tivo Series 2. I just bought a Tivo Roamio Plus and have been trying to install it over the weekend. Previously all my Tivos were set up on our home wireless network. This network is central in our home but not close to any tvs. So, I'm guessing I need to do the MoCA bridge, right? I've decided to retire my Series 2 and keep the Premieres for the time being. In order to make this work do I need a MoCA for the Network and then one for each of the Premieres? Are having the Premieres as good as having a mini? What about a wireless bridge that tricks the Tivo's into thinking they are hardwired?

    Thanks for any insights you have.
     
  16. Bigg

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    You want MoCA bridging. Wireless bridges will make them think they're wired, but it may or may not be reliable enough for streaming between units. Get a MoCA adapter for each of the two Premieres if you don't have Ethernet available at those locations, and then tie the MoCA network to Ethernet somewhere, which could be with another MoCA adapter at your router, or through the Roamio Plus if you can run an Ethernet cable from your router to that.

    Having Premieres is different from having Minis, although you can have a combination of them as long as you have one 4/6 tuner box like the Plus to host the Minis. The Minis give close to the same experience of the host box, with the same recordings and whatnot, the Premieres are separate boxes with separate tuners, but you can stream or download between the Premieres and the Roamio Plus.

    So basically the Premiers are better and worse than having a Mini, but not the same at all. I prefer one unifed system, but some people might want some separation, or more boxes with local tuners.
     
  17. Dan203

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    Might be cheaper/easier to get Minis. The Minis have built in MoCa, so they don't need the $50 bridge. They also come with lifetime service for free, so no TiVo service fee. They do not require a CableCARD so no rental fee or outlet fee from your cable company. And they draw significantly less power so they'll save you a bit of electricity in the long run.
     
  18. PatrickNSF

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    Just to follow-up...

    I started the thread. I replaced one Premiere XL4 with a Roamio Pro and it's working well. We have three Minis hooked up to the Roamio.

    I've considered selling the other Premiere XL4 and replacing it with another Mini. I'm fine losing the extra hard drive space and the additional tuners, but one thing seems problematic – I have't been able to figure out a way to better organize what turns up in My Shows. There are three of us in the household, and my spouse and son record on one Tivo, and I record on the other. As far as I can tell, the only was to continue to be able to segregate/organize/manage our individual recordings is to keep the XL4.

    Is that correct?
     
  19. tarheelblue32

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    That is correct. It would be nice if TiVo would implement some kind of profile system. Maybe someday they will, but until then there is no good solution.
     

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