Survivor: Winners at War - s40 e13 OAD 5-6-2020

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Steveknj, May 7, 2020.

  1. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    They might just vote for Natalie, I am just giving them more credit for a fair decision than you are. It sounds like You are basically ruling out anybody from EoE winning and I don't think thats fair either.
     
  2. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    Actually no, I'm saying that someone FROM EoE is going to win, and I actually hate that could or should happen. As I said, I don't like: A) This whole concept on principle, you get voted off by your peers, you are done. B) IF you are going to go this route, do it at the merge rather than the end of the game. This way there is less chance for jury influence and at least you will have played half the game.
     
  3. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Probably bad wording on my part but that is what I was implying. If it becomes a problem as you say I am sure they will make adjustments but trying to keep the original formula is the surest way to end the show.
     
  4. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    Who said to go back to the original formula. I'm fine with everything else (though I DO think it's too easy to get idols) except bring back people voted off. There are plenty of ways to tweak the game without doing that.
     
  5. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    That's just a matter of perspective. In the past being voted out meant your time playing the game was over (even jury members were no longer playing). Under these new rules being "voted out" is just a change in your status in the game, but your game is not over. It's like you've been relegated to second-class citizen, but you still have the possibility of earning back your first-class credentials.

    Maybe they should call it something different: instead of being voted out, you're demoted or something.

    I get that you hate this as a concept and I'm not trying to convince you. I'm telling you why I don't have any problems with EoE folks buying an idol or an advantage in the get-back-in challenge. It doesn't seem MORE unfair to me that they be able to do this, beyond the fundamental EoE concept, so it doesn't bother me.

    My only problem with EoE is the one mentioned here many times: the ability to kiss up to the jury. If we were to ask Jeff he'd say "it's part of the game!" and he's right, of course. But I don't like that part. I know it would be logistically impossible but if they were to keep every EoE contestant separated (except maybe for challenges) I would feel better about it. Also EoE would be a lot harder: I wonder how many people would not be able to take being alone that long (I guess there's always the camera crew, even though you can't really talk to them).
     
  6. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    The thing is these people all know each other and are essentially professionals in the game. I personally think we will be surprised. I also think the so called jury is learning a lot about how people are playing the game as each new person comes in and will take that into consideration.
     
  7. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    I understand, and maybe this season will be different due to that level of experience. But certainly I don't expect this to be the last season with EoE or fire tokens and so the problem still exists.
     
  8. Family

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    Even though I hate the concept of a player hanging with the jury and being inserted into the final 5, I think Natalie would be at least as deserving winner if it were her/Ben/Michelle in the final 3. Or even Denise who made a hollow "big move" early in the game, but still has been a tag along in my book.

    Sarah and Tony have so dominated, all that's left is weak players, except them.
     
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  9. lambertman

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    Off-topic a bit: this is the first season I've watched since Vanuatu. Recommendations for a good recent season or two that don't involve anyone on the current cast? I need content for the summer :)
     
  10. realityboy

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    A lot of the current cast came from recent seasons. The most recent season that I could recommend would be season 26 Caramoan. I believe 39 and 30 are the only 2 after that without any of the current players, and they’re not particularly enjoyable.

    Edit: Just looking through a few past seasons to see which ones aren’t represented this year. I see 21 Nicaragua, 19 Samoa, 15 China, 17 Gabon, 14 Fiji, 12 Panama, & 10 Palau.

    I guess Samoa and China are the best of these.
     
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  11. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Is there any particular reason you don't want to watch a season with a current player? You missed some great seasons like Micronesia, Heroes v. Villains, Cagayan, etc ...
    I agree. If you strictly limit the choices to those seasons, Samoa and China are the best. I actually like China a lot and have seen it twice.
     
  12. Hcour

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    I've come to hate the whole EoE concept, which really doesn't make a lick of sense, because over on EoE they're playing a different game and whatever you want to call it, it's not Survivor. And Natalie won that EoE game, no doubt, but if she or someone else comes back and wins the actual title of Sole Survivor it completely undermines and essentially negates the whole concept of Survivor gameplay. It's absurd. I don't think someone like Tony would lose to an EoE player but that the possibility even exists compromises the whole concept of Outwit Outplay Outlast and is bs.

    Some will say Survivor is constantly evolving blah blah blah, but every new concept is not necessarily a smart concept and in the case of EoE, it's more like the game is devolving.
     
  13. jr461

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    Like I've said, I agree with this thought generally but the exception is this season where this is the only cast who is in a position to judge whether someone from EoE should win since they have all played the main game to the end, mostly multiple times, but have not been on EoE. And I would hope they are immune to the schmoozing.

    So I guess I don't like it any more that I normally would but I can respect the decision more if the winner is from EoE. In any other season it should be abolished altogether. Or have the person return at the merge and call it a day if they must have it.
     
  14. lambertman

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    A fair point, but for now I’d like to watch a season and not know who wins :)
     
  15. gweempose

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    That's completely understandable, but I will say that unless you really know your Survivor history well, there are some seasons you can watch and not necessarily know who wins, even if one or more of the players are currently on this season. Many of these people have played multiple times, and some of them didn't win until their second, third or even fourth try.
     
  16. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Since the "reunion" portion of the finale will be conducted via Zoom, I think they're resigned to the fact that it won't be very compelling and therefore it won't
    While I agree with you in principle, the problem with your premise is that you're advocating that the players at Final TC tell the Jury that none of them played the game. This is the Jury that will be voting for who wins, and antagonizing them like this after they've just spent 20-30 days in harsh conditions for the chance to get back into the main game seems like a bad strategy. This is why EoE is highly flawed, because while it's easy for viewers to see that being on EoE is not really part of the game, the people who have been sitting on EoE are understandably biased, and they're the ones making the decision about whether time on EoE counts as being "in the game."
    Probst has already said that Edge of Extinction won't be coming back anytime soon, if ever, but that fire tokens are definitely here to stay, at least for the time being.

    I think for fire tokens to be effective, they need to increase them by 10x. If you start the game with one token, you only have two options. Horde it and that's not interesting TV, or spend it and you're broke. But if you started the game with ten tokens, you could spend a few and still have some, or you could negotiate with other people to "buy" their votes without having to give up your entire stash. It would free up the players to be much more creative with their use of tokens rather than box them into the binary choice of horde or be broke.
     
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    Survivor Monopoly!
     
  18. tivotvaddict

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    Playing Devil's Advocate for a minute (I'm not particularly a fan, just presenting alternative viewpoints to consider):

    Amber and Danni have been on the island nearly as long and had the same opportunities. They were unable to capitalize on them. Natalie should be rewarded for doing something better than the other players. And, if it was such a huge advantage, then the players would rationally be choosing to go to the EOE in order to gain such an advantage. That isn't happening.

    The competitions on the EOE have helped to contribute, as have the opportunities to pair up with a player the way she did with Parvati.

    Survivor isn't fair. Never has been. Was it fair to Devon from Healers/Hustlers/Heroes or Jamal on Island of the Idols that they got a disadvantage? Is the totem pole challenge fair to the players with big feet? etc. etc.

    Do agree with you there - an earlier comeback seems reasonable.

    Hasn't always been true. Redemption Island players were voted out and then came back in.

    I have wondered if EOE would be less annoying if someone was voted off from EOE each week too. Then it would still involve the concept of having to win votes from someone that was voted off. Definitely would need 90 minute or 2 hour episodes for that!
     
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  19. heySkippy

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    I would vote for Natalie against a number of the remaining players.
     
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  20. gweempose

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    While I won't be happy if an Edge player wins the game, it will be an easier pill to swallow than Chris Underwood's win. At least on this season the people on Edge have been forced to compete with each other and had to earn their advantages/idols. Underwood didn't do jack s***!
     

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