Survivor: Winners at War - s40 e13 OAD 5-6-2020

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  1. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    Would they be able to use the idol at 5? Is that the last time they could use it? If that's the case, that's terrible. Imagine Natalie, who played almost none of the game gets a free pass into the final 4? And she's such a beast at challenges she's have to be considered a favorite to win it all. If someone from EoE wins, I will never watch another season where something like EoE exists.
     
  2. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I so disagree with you that EOE is not part of the game. They are involved with their own challenges and social negotiations. You just want things they way they used to be and thats not how survivor works its a constantly changing game such that new players cant just watch all the old shows and figure out how to play.
     
  3. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    It's not that it's not part of the game, because it obviously is. What I don't like in this (or any game) is:
    1) Players voted off by their peers get another chance to get back in the game
    2) That these voted off players have a HUGE advantage coming back in. Last time they played this game the person who came back in won. And this time around the player coming back has even bigger advantages than last time.

    There's going to be a time, if they keep using EoE and that player keeps winning that a player who feels they have NO chance of winning the regular game will purposely want to get voted off so they can schmooze the jury and get advantages. I also feel that it takes something away from the regular game because a lot of the game play may turn out to be meaningless. Imagine if all of Tony's wrangling and game play, at the end of the day means nothing, because the EoE returnee can make a case that it's hard living on EoE and I deserve to win, and gets the others to agree.
     
  4. Family

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    The main problem I have with EOE is that the incoming player has the advantage of hanging out with the jury for a month. That's beyond ridiculous.

    If they want someone returning, fine, but it has to be before jury members have spent time with the second chance player. Otherwise the process is too corrupted for my interest.
     
  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    And for this season, and Dalton Ross talked about in his blog, someone like Natalie who's been there since almost the beginning of the game has a lot of time to collect firetokens, has a lot of time to "learn" the island and to even prepare to make fire and so forth. So she was allowed to buy THREE play-in advantages, and an Immunity Idol. This gives her a huge advantage in the play-in game AND in the regular game. She'll also have the advantage of schmoozing the jury, making friendships with the people on EoE and they will realize what she did to "endure" life on EoE. If she would win, it makes a total mockery of everything that went on in the regular game.

    The question to me is will the jury vote for someone who's not in the main game for all of the season to win, or will they, based on friendship, EoE endurance or whatever reason decide that a person voted off and played only a few days of the regular game should win. We'll see how much people think about how much EoE belongs in the game.
     
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    Family Well-Known Member

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    I still feel that the jury is experienced enough that they will respect Tony's play and vote him as winner, but believe Natalie will beat any of the others.
     
  7. Donbadabon

    Donbadabon Bored TCF Club

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    While Natalie did get an advantage by being first on EoE and learning the island, she got this advantage by getting off her butt and exploring.
    She could've sat there and done nothing, but the fact that she took the initiative to still play at 100% gives her a lot of respect in my book.
    I didn't like her before this (not even on Amazing Race), but I am appreciating her level of play here.
     
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    The bolded is why no one from EoE should win, imo. Anyone left should use this against an EoE peroson if they make it to F3:

    The concept of Survivor is to vote people off, yet do it in a way that you can get them to give you the win in the end. You did NONE of that.
     
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  9. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    There are only two hard rules on Survivor:

    • It lasts 39 days
    • One person has to persuade the the rest to vote for him/her.
    In the early survivors you were not even on the jury until halfway you were completely out of the game that has changed. To me EOE is basically a jail. Some people get out of jail.
    Yes there is shmoozing and the game will evolve to consider that. I have heard that Jeff is thinking of having the tribe elect officers like a mayor at some point. What does that mean and how would that affect the game.
    All these extra things add more chaos to remove advantages by any one person.
     
  10. bryhamm

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    To me EoE is like a losers bracket in a tournament. You lose (ie get voted out), yet are not 100% out of the game. But, with any losers bracket, if that person gets to the end, they have to beat the person on the winners bracket twice. It's done that way for a a reason.
     
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    Overall I don't like the idea of an EoE player, particularly one there for an extended period, swooping in at the last minute and winning.

    Referring to the bolded, however, this season has a very different distinction - everyone on EoE has played the main game all the way to the end (more than once for some or most). They are the only ones who are in a position to determine if someone who has been on EoE deserves to win the game. These people should also be able to see through the schmoozing that might otherwise influence a first time player. So for that reason (to borrow from Shark Tank), I can justify an EoE player winning this season and respect the votes of those who have now done both (EoE and main game). But only this season draws that distinction.

    In a normal season where the players haven't experienced the entire main game they can't compare it properly to time on EoE and therefore I totally agree with you. I hated when (forgot his name) won in that first EoE season.
     
  12. Steveknj

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    But the way it's laid out, the EoE person (using your analogy) gets to scout out all of the teams for a month before they get back ito the tourney and then comes into the game with potentially a 20 point head start. Now of course that headstart could disappear but to me, they make it too easy for the EoE player to win. I get WHY they did it this time. You don't want to send popular players home right away, and you don't want them bored on EoE so you give them some incentive. Either way, it just bothers me that a loser could win.

    As far as them electing a sheriff or someone like that in a future season, well that's like HoH on Big Brother. The difference is that the player is in the main game, not voted out by their peers.
     
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    This is the biggest thing for me. Natalie gets to hang out with the jury, but unlike the players that didn't get voted out, her time with them on EoW was not adversarial. She didn't have to lie, backstab, try to vote any of them off. She didn't have to do any of the things that create bad feelings between the final three and the jury. That feels like a huge advantage to me.
     
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  14. zalusky

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    These are all veterans that love Survivor and know how the game is played. I think you are presuming too much here.
     
  15. LlamaLarry

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    How is Natalie still looking so stacked on EoE while everyone else looks like hell? I think this may be the last time we see all of the old school players in any Survivor capacity as they are all, well, old.
     
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    Having EoE people get back in with an immunity idol doesn't bother me. After all, people still in the game can find HII while EoE players can't. And, the gameplay involved with obtaining fire tokens and buying the idol is the closest thing there is to "real" Survivor on EoE so people who are good at that deserve it.

    As for buying advantages in the challenge, that doesn't impact the current players at all, it's only an advantage over the other EoE players so that doesn't bother me at all either.

    The big problem with EoE, as has been described quite well already, is the camaraderie EoE players have with the jury. While we see it as someone avoiding all the "hard work" and jumping in at the last minute, the jury sees a good person (most likely, if they played well on EoE) voted out for strategy reasons, and then able to get back into the game and make it into the finals which to them is a big resume builder.

    That said, to me if Tony is in the final three he wins, hands down. No contest. I don't know what Sarah is thinking if she's really serious about taking Tony to the finals.
     
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    The thing I like least about Edge this season is the ability for players on Edge to screw over the players still in the game. What happened to Ben this episode was hardly fair at all. The same goes for Tony when they hit him with the extortion disadvantage. Even when players are given advantages from people on Edge, I still think it's unfair to the other players that didn't get the advanage. Why should players that are basically living in the Survivor version of purgatory be allowed to have so much influence on the game?
     
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  18. Steveknj

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    So what makes you think that they still can't be convinced? Think about it, they know what life is like on EoE since they are living it first hand. They might think that she's earned it because of how difficult it it. You've said it yourself, EoE is now part of the game. So if they believe like you, I can see them voting for Nat.
     
  19. Steveknj

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    That's just it, you've been voted out. You shouldn't have the same privileges as those still in the game, including finding II.
     
  20. NatasNJ

    NatasNJ Bone marrow lover!

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    I am surprised no one brought up how stupid Nick is/was when he voted against Jeremy.
    Michelle called him out on it right away. Nick never had a response/plan after that vote.
    Why would Tony and Sarah go against Ben for him and Michelle? It made no sense.
    That had to be one of the worst moves ever. If he voted Ben at least they had a chance then to have Nick/Michelle/Jeremy vs Tony/Sarah.
    If Nick really believed Ben was an option then they surely didn't show anything suggesting that was even feasible.
     
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