Survivor Redemption Island "Keep Hope Alive" OAD 03/02/2011

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  1. latrobe7

    latrobe7 Fine for real TCF Club

    May 1, 2005


    Russell's problem is his ego. If he could kiss a little ass every now and then, and just keep his true feelings to himself, he could have won both times.
  2. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    I hope so. Might get boring for us otherwise. :p
  3. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I only disagree with the comment about Tyson. It was a stupid move by Tyson, but it was made because Russell convinced him it wasn't a stupid move. I give credit to Russell for what happened.
  4. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...

    And yes, if he had kissed ass a little at the final TC it may have helped.
  5. bryhamm

    bryhamm randomize

    Jun 30, 2004
    St Louis area


    I agree. That's why I said "I'm sure he had a part in convincing them to do what they did.". But it still took someone doing what I consider a stupid move for Russell to move on. It was unnecessary both times it happened.
  6. fmowry

    fmowry Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Baltimore, MD
    And that is equally the problem of the two juries who voted to not give him the money. He clearly outplayed them and the people he was up against on both finales and they got their little feelings hurt so they punished his whole game because their egos couldn't take it that they were outplayed.

    When you get blindsided and you know the person behind it you get a bit vindictive.

    Outwit is only part of the game when you aren't sitting on the jury after being outwitted.
  7. latrobe7

    latrobe7 Fine for real TCF Club

    May 1, 2005
    Um, No. The "ego" of the jury is not a "problem" for the jury, it's a problem for the final contestants. It's up to the finalists to convince the jury to vote for them in spite of all the backstabbing they may have received. That is a crucial portion of the game since it's nearly impossible to actively play the game and get to the end without stabbing people in the back. And it's been done before by better players than Russell. Not to say that every player who has won is a better player than Russell, or even that every player better than Russell won; just that a really good Survivor player plays all the aspects of the game. Russell (and some of his fans apparently) seems to feel that: "Hey, I played these other parts of the game so great I shouldn't even have to play the final part; just give me my prize!"

    And those juries did not punish the "entire game" :)rolleyes:); they punished Russell. Russell's job in the end-game was to overcome the vindictiveness of those he betrayed. Once again, this has been successfully done several times in the past, and he failed to even attempt it. Outwit is always part of the game; and in the final tribal it is not just for the jury to give credit for someone's wits up to then; it's for the contestant to use their wits to convince the jury, which Russel failed at twice.
  8. Philosofy

    Philosofy Super Duper Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    Russell is like the cocky bully jock, who pushes people around and gloats, and wins the football game, but can't understand why the prettiest cheerleader won't go to the dance with him.
  9. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    I think both are great points, the fact that Russell didn't understand why he didn't win was one of the huge things missing from his outlook on the game. The jury is still out on if he's learned those lessons yet.

    It's very possible for someone to play most of the type of game Russell plays and win; I think the key is respecting the jury, Russell has not done that in the past.

    As many have said, this is a multi-faceted game, and just because you're an over-achiever in some areas does not mean you can ignore the human component in the long run.
  10. Peter000

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    Analogy flaw. ;) Usually those guys end up with the pretty cheerleader. Look at Russell the last two episodes. He had the two youngest prettiest women on the tribe following him around like puppy-dogs.
  11. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    was just watching the episode again with my wife and heard Matt tell Fransesquash ;) that he felt like a "guru" for being blindsided.

    guru? he's a pre-med student, BTW.

    I'm not sure it means what he thinks it means :p
  12. InterMurph

    InterMurph Member

    May 22, 2003
    Gloucester, MA
    I was always disappointed when Probst didn't refer to her as "Francesqua". What a missed opportunity!
  13. Magister

    Magister Fat, Dumb and Happy

    Oct 17, 2004
    Columbia, SC
    I think word was actually 'GOOBER'
  14. martinp13

    martinp13 Roller coaster addict :)

    Mar 19, 2001
    Fort Worth, TX
    No, Phil's right. In his analogy, the "prettiest cheerleader" is the jury and the "dance" is the million bucks. Has nothing to do with literal pretty girls.
  15. Peter000

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    The analogy isn't valid if the truism isn't true. We all know women often end up with asshats, and often go to the dance with the "bad boy."

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