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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by heySkippy, Mar 2, 2011.
She looks like just her face is on steroids.
That's just it. You can't get to the end with him. The people that did get to the end with him weren't the ones who played the game the best, they were the next in line losers who he took to the end. You can't rely on the Russell for anything at all. He is vindictive and unpredictable. Keeping him around is like throwing a turd into the punch bowl so that no one else will drink your punch, then wondering later why you're getting so thirsty.
If you are playing the game with any skill at all, keeping Russell around more than 10 minutes is a big mistake. He's cancer on legs.
Russell was doomed from the start, for sure. But he should have known that, and should have changed his strategy from day 1.
I agree with this. I would want him off of there right away. Everytime he made "promises" or "alliances" he broke them and just said that was part of the game.
my point is, that bridge was already burnt. Nobody would allow him to change his strategy. Everybody already had ther preconceived notions about him so really there's nothing he could do.
I actually saw that he tried. He gave them that speach (rather honest or not, I don't know) and didn't seem to do anything malicious like in previous seasons. I can't blame him for trying to find allies as I'm sure there weren't a lot to choose from nor can I blame him for trying to find idols....everybody should be doing that.
The smart thing to do when playing with people like Russell and Rob is to vote them off at the first opportunity. I don't know about throwing a challenge to do it - I don't think that ever works out to be a good move - but voting out Russell was absolutely the right move.
But, according to Russell, it is not his stategy that is flawed, it just the vendictive juries don't understand the proper way to play Survivor.
Russell can give a great speech at the beginning but what really counts is actions. They saw nothing other than the speech that was different than other times he played, right down to him starting off by aligning with the two girls.
Yes, he did have a huge target on his back but he needed to come out with a completely different and transparent playstyle in order to make people think he has changed but it seemed much more like all talk and no action.
I didn't see the point of this either.
Yep, he should have moved pieces around aimlessly....or something!
Interestingly, he's probably the closest I'll ever get in the degrees of separation to a survivor contestant. He and my brother in law were frat brothers together a few years ago. Not sure how well he knows him now. I'll have to find out...
The only person I feel sorry for in this whole mess is the little brunette that was siding with Russell. I can't help but think she's kind of stupid for defending him so much in the TC, but what a little doll. She's just absolutely adorable. To bad her head's so messed up. I hope she can get an alliance with someone and stay in the game for a while.
I hear ya. And perhaps you're right. We'll never know.
He could have come in and said "Look, you know me, you know my game. You won't want me going very far. That said, let me help you guys beat the other tribe. Let me help you find all the HIIs and then you can go into the merge armed and ready -- you can all follow me around, or take turns following me around. I'll be 100% open and transparent, and will help this tribe win."
But no, Russell didn't do anything other than what he knows. It's like that parable about the scorpion killing the ant. I'm starting to realize Russell isn't all that smart or good at this game -- he just is who he is and that person is good at Survivor the first time, until people figure him out.
Rob, however, adapts, changes, thinks.
all I can say is that I would love to get on Survivor 3 or 4 times so I can keep learning from my mistakes
To each his own. I don't find her appealing in the least. I'm more of an Ashley kind of guy.
Ashley is amazing; and I don't like skinny women!
I like me some skinny wimmins.. And she is a hottie.
I think the reason they lied to Russell was two-fold. 1 - we hate him so we just lie to him for no other reason.
2 - If he thinks he will have an easy time on RI, he may not fight too hard to stay here. So it will be easier to vote him off.
I think he is both smart and good at the game. But, in both seasons he had to have someone make a MAJOR mistake in order for him to get to the end. Last time it was Tyson flipping for some stupid reason. The time before, it was the first vote after the merge when the one guy decided to go against his alliance too soon.
If neither of those happen, Russell goes home VERY early.
But, I'm sure he had a part in convincing them to do what they did. Just like he tried to convince the girl to flip this time. Had she done it, it would have looked great for him from a game play.
I agree that Russell is a bull in a china shop in camp, but as far as the 6 staying together, he made that easier. They united against a common enemy. Everyone agreed to get Russell. Now they will start to argue and Ralph will get bossy....
He got some breaks, but everyone who makes it far in the game gets some breaks. He also made a lot of his "luck."
I think Russell's mistake in the past two seasons was that he didn't know how to handle the final TC. He lied through the whole game and then decided to be "honest" at the final TC and just made it impossible for people to want to vote for him. If he'd finessed it a little - "Why did I blindside you so-and-so? Because you were a brilliant player and a huge threat to me and that's the only way I could have won. I have great respect for you and I'm sorry, but I had to do it." Since he hadn't seen the prior season on TV before he was on heroes/villains, he didn't get a chance to learn from it so he made the same mistake twice. (Though being Russell, he might have done that again, anyway.) If, at final TC, he'd stated all of the reasons why he played a great game, and there were many, and then kissed a little hiney during the Q&A sessions, he's a two-time winner.
In this season, where everyone knows exactly what he is and what he does, he didn't stand a chance.
Russell's problem is his double standard. He demands absolute loyalty from his alliance and team mates, but will stab them in the back in a second because "its part of the game."
And re my prior post, it could be that Russell could have delivered the perfect speech in George Clooney's voice and the juries may have already hated him so much that nothing would have changed. These juries always seem pretty fickle, though, as well as very self-centered. If he had kissed up to them and helped them to save face over whatever it was that they think Russell had screwed them over on, I say he could have pulled it off at least once (the first time) and probably both times.