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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by gweempose, Nov 14, 2019.
Just having to listen to Jeff in these "teaching moments" is enough for me.
Totally don't get this perspective. I think Jeff, and the show, has done a great job when they've had these kinds of challenging subjects crop up. It sounds like you're just wanting Survivor to be completely devoid of these types of sensitive subjects, but as long as they're casting real people in the show, that's simply not possible unless they start scripting it.
I don't understand your prospective either.
Did they start casting real people on the show just this season? There have been examples of inappropriate behavior in the past, some of which were mentioned in this thread, and they were ignored or swept under the rug by the show. In other words this sensitive subject has only become a sensitive subject when it fit the script that Survivor wanted.
I've thought there was way too much touching on Survivor long before the Me Too movement. If the network, producers, and Jeff wanted to tackle this issue before there have been better instances to do so. In fact we now know when the before mentioned instances occurred on Survivor the head of the network was a violator, which BTW was also swept under the rug.
It's much for me to listen to Jeff act cutting edge when Survivor and the network are intentionally late to the game on this issue. They are followers, not leaders.
I'm not going to stop watching the show because of this, but it has definitely tainted the rest of the season for me. Of the remaining players, the only three that I still find likable enough to root for at this point are Elaine, Tommy and Janet. Of those three, I think Tommy is the only person with a realistic shot of winning the game.
I agree it’s not like Survivor is going the typical reality show way and manufacturing fake drama, none of this was manufactured by producers and I feel they handled it the best they could.
I think Dan is a pig.
I think Aaron is very typical of many men - "I didn't know about it, so it couldn't possibly been happening". Jerk.
I think Missy and Elizabeth are disgusting. Missy admitted to Kellee (in a 2-hour conversation!) her discomfort with Dan's behavior. And then, both she and Elizabeth used the situation to gain an advantage in the game. There are women in the "real world" who pull this kind of crap, too. They suck. Missy and Elizabeth suck, too.
Janet is the hero here - she stood up for the other women. She BELIEVED them. And in the end, they tried to screw her. I give Kellee credit for speaking her truth. Like life, she was afraid if she spoke too much, it would hurt her. So I get her reticence. And I really admired Karishma for standing by Janet. Jamal clearly gets it - more men should be like Jamal.
The whole thing was a microcosm of real life. Sh*t like this happens ALL. THE. TIME.
And FWIW, they should have thrown Dan out the minute these accusations came to light. Production is on-site 24/7, so they see and hear everything. They had to know what was going on.
I really hope Janet wins this game...
Thumbs up to Jamal for calling this out! I hate that he went home the same night he made such a strong stance on this topic.
Still no apology from Dan.
Interview with Kellee: Kellee Kim of 'Survivor' speaks out on inappropriate touching incidents
Which for me strengthens the thought that when production spoke to the players, there were no specifics involved. It was more of a 'remember to respect boundaries' thing. Which is so vague no one knew they were being warned.
Except as mentioned several times, they specifically pulled Dan aside in addition to the group discussion and gave him an official warning.
This is EXACTLY what happens in the real world when you make a complaint. I do understand why Kellee did not take this further. She is very smart and was aware it would likely blow back on her.
They should have removed Dan from the game - not just "pulled him aside".
They really screwed this one up - badly.
And the fallout continues. Josh Wigler is so appalled by the situation that he just announced that he will no longer be covering Survivor going forward ...
I was expecting them to ask about Dean's "betrayal" after she saved his butt the previous TC...
While I agree with everything you said, I think we need to remember that from Missy's POV, she had this heartfelt talk with Kellee, and then shortly after found out that Kellee was trying to get people to vote Missy out. So it is understandable that Missy may have then wondered whether Kellee was being genuine and felt she had just as much right to use that angle to gain an advantage in the game because she thought that's what Kellee was doing against her.
Wow! Very surprising. I wasn't going to listen to that episode this week because they previously announce no Wand-Off this week, but now I'll definitely listen.
That's, IMHO, ridiculous.
But we don't know what they actually said to him do we? I could've missed it, but I haven't seen anything that said 'Dan, these are the specific things you are doing, and they need to stop'. As far as any of us knows, it could've been that detailed, or it could've been so generic that Dan had no idea what they were talking about.
For people like Dan, you have to spell it out or they don't get it. His actions at TC seemed to indicate he was not aware of this as an issue.
he'd already been asked to stop by kellee, the next step should have been eviction, not a second warning. for whatever reason, asking him to stop wasn't enough, so action should have been taken with no mention of why to the rest of the tribe - call it a family emergency, and there's negligible impact on the game, and no blow-back for kellee.
Finally had a chance to watch this episode and as I did I realized there's never been a season where I disliked so many of the players. Then during the second tribal I was thinking, "Gee, when did TC turn into such a bummer? This ain't fun at all." Survivor is supposed to be fun. If I want to watch serious debates about serious social issues I'll watch Oprah. (Ok, well maybe not Oprah...)
Missy and Lizzy sure had me fooled. WTH were they thinking, using such a thing as a game strategy? Sheesh. Agree with others that the producers mishandled Kelle's complaints. Agree Dan should be gone.
I was practically screaming at Kellee to play ONE of her TWO idols. Cripes and crimeny, that was one of the biggest Survivor blunders of all time. Now the one player I liked is gone and the season has devolved into something ugly and unpleasant. I'll root for Janet but I don't think she's gonna make it much longer.
Not really a meaningful spoiler, but spoilerizing it anyway...
Interesting how she eats her hamburger with only a bottom bun. I have been on a low carb diet and always order a burger with a lettuce wrap. I had never considered half a bun. Yes, a bottom bun would result in more carbs than a lettuce wrap, but this is a good option to still give one the genuine taste of a burger, but with half the carbs...