Survivor: Island of the Idols (Season 39) OAD 11/13/19

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  1. jr461

    jr461 Well-Known Member

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    I keep going back to the producers as well as everything is monitored, if not recorded. If there was nothing to it I don't think they would have stepped in. Missy and Elizabeth are deplorable to playing this.

    Kellee as a player - top 3 worst in history for going home with 2 idols (and for believing anything she was told about being safe). Until then I thought she was a good player.

    The guy Kellee saved (forgot name lol) - detestable for not giving Kellee a heads up after she literally, single-handedly kept him from going home.

    Jamal and Aaron - pompous asses.

    Dan - not the innocent he makes himself out to be, As mentioned in this thread, "touching" and other coupling activity happens. If it was incidental as he creepily illustrated, the producers would have no reason to intervene. It bothered at least one player and he as asked to stop. So saying he had not idea was just a lie.

    Janet is the only likable player out there but rooting for her is like rooting for the Mets, I fear.
     
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  2. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    All I kept thinking throughout the second hour is how much more enjoyable the rest of this season would have been if Kellee had played ONE OF HER TWO idols! The entire second half of this show would have been completely different.

    How bad at gameplay do you have to be to go home with two idols in your pocket.
     
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  3. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    I just can't wait until Dean is voted out and then Kellee is like, "WTF, dude???"
     
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  4. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    In fairness to producers they would have a lot of footage to look through to find what they showed. I’m assuming when they talked to everyone they hadn’t found it yet.
     
  5. Donbadabon

    Donbadabon Bored TCF Club

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    And we don't know exactly what the producers said to everyone. It could've been just a vague "remember to respect boundaries out here". It doesn't seem like they were specific since Dan seemed to be confused as to why Jeff was calling him out at Tribal. They should've given Dan specific examples of what he was doing so he could correct them. But we unfortunately don't know what he was told.
     
  6. laria

    laria Librocubicularist

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    The screen message said that Dan had also been pulled aside privately and warned about his behavior, and at least one of those recap articles mentioned it, too. He cannot have been confused... he was directly warned.
     
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  7. hummingbird_206

    hummingbird_206 Retired

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    I'm glad they are ashamed of themselves, they should be. And there was a link to Aaron's apology.

    CBS and producer Mark Burnett’s company put out this statement. Reading it, I still think they don't get it. They should have removed Dan from the game, and they didn't.
    In the episode broadcast last night, several female castaways discussed the behavior of a male castaway that made them uncomfortable. During the filming of this episode, producers spoke off-camera to all the contestants still in the game, both as a group and individually, to hear any concerns and advise about appropriate boundaries. A formal warning was also given to the male castaway in question. On Survivor, producers provide the castaways a wide berth to play the game. At the same time, all castaways are monitored and supervised at all times. They have full access to producers and doctors, and the production will intervene in situations where warranted.
     
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  8. HIHZia

    HIHZia Mad Turk

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    I'm still waiting for Dan's response to see if he learned anything about his behaviour.
     
  9. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    While it was definitely hard to see Kellee have to sit there in silence, the alternative would have compromised the integrity of the game. If she got to stand up there at TC and explain what Dan did and how she confided in Missy and Elizabeth and they all agreed with her and shared their own concerns, and then how Janet stood up for all of them, it would have been an outside element influencing the game play, as it would have clearly shown that Missy and Elizabeth were lying, while within the game there was still some question. I get that this is a serious situation and deserved a serious solution, but I think the producers already handled that with the group meeting and formal warning to Dan. Allowing Kellee to stand up and give a speech at TC would have gone too far, IMO.

    Edit: From the Probst interview linked above:
    I don't think that's true. Yes, they have a lot of footage. But there are producers on the beach 24/7 along with the camera crews, and I'm sure they are trained to take notes on when certain things occurred so they can be easily accessed by editors.
     
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  10. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I don't understand people who say they're not going to watch Survivor any more after this. I thought this was a great teaching moment and showed multiple sides of the situation and how it's easy for such things to get dismissed. The way Jamal spoke up and put Aaron in his place when Aaron said that if anything was really going on, he would have known about it, was excellent.

    So why are people "punishing" Survivor by tuning out? What did the game/show do incorrectly? According to Probst's interview (linked above), Kellee didn't want production to intervene on her behalf. So I don't think production ever thought the issue was serious enough to warrant ejecting Dan from the game.
     
  11. TampaThunder

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    IMO Kellee should never have been put in that position to be the one to decide whether production should intervene on her behalf. She had made it clear on numerous occasions that she didn't want Dan touching her. She was very clear with Dan about that the first time it happened. The 2nd time it happened the producers should've stepped in immediately (not after a tearful confessional from Kellee) and read Dan the riot act, explaining to him that going forward was zero tolerance and that another episode, no matter how "innocent" Dan thought he was behaving, would result in his being removed from the game.

    Survivor has always had a clear rule that physical altercations were verboten and that if any happened it would result in ejections from the game. Once Kellee asked not to be touched any further touching was a physical altercation between a man and a woman and no less serious than if Dan had walked up to Jamal and punched him in the mouth. At least in that scenario Jamal would've punched Dan back probably. What was Kellee to do? Just take it? Complain some more? Break down crying? Again?? She had no power and any response from her jeopardized her position in the game so she really couldn't do anything. She was in a classic no-win situation because CBS and the producers had allowed it to go that far despite all the confessionals, video, etc.

    The fact that Dan is still in the game and Kellee is gone makes it easy for me to decide not to watch this particular season anymore. I don't understand why you don't understand that perspective.
     
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  12. tivotvaddict

    tivotvaddict CreativelyChallenged

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    As much as I have disliked Aaron throughout this season (ever since he was a petulant child at getting votes in the first tribal council), I have to admit this apology seems sincere and that he may have actually learned something and be changed moving forward.
     
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  13. HIHZia

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    I think Dan is fooling himself if he thinks he's never made any other women uncomfortable. I'm sure plenty of women he's worked with don't appreciate his hands on approach. I'm also sure most of them don't feel it rises to a level they want to speak up about for the same reason many women don't speak out. How will it affect their job or work relationships that might hold them back if they speak up. There is a broad area of "uncomfortable". Some is innocent behavior that should be able to be addressed with a simple conversation, and some is egregious behavior that needs to be addressed by law. The toucher doesn't get to decide where that line is, the touchee does.
     
  14. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    According to the interview with Probst posted above, Kellee did not want production to take any action against Dan:
    Kellee was uncomfortable. But she still wanted a chance to win the game and felt like making her issues public would jeopardize her game. Why should production override Kellee's wishes and jeopardize Kellee's game when Kellee doesn't want them to do so?
     
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  15. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    I'm inclined to agree with you, but interestingly, Kelley Wentworth does not. Rob specifically asked her that question on his podcast last night. She was conflicted, but ultimately decided that given the gravity of the situation, Kellee should have been given a chance to clear the air right then and there. She did, however, acknowledge, that it wouldn't have been fair to just let Kellee stand up and talk unchecked at tribal for 30 minutes. There needed to be some clear limits set first. Coming from someone who has played three times and fully understands how important it is to maintain the integrity of the game, I found her perspective very interesting.

    Here's a link to the podcast:

    Survivor 39 Episode 8 & 9 Recap with Kelley Wentworth – RobHasAwebsite.com
     
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  16. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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  17. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    It's in my feed and I'll listen to it sometime this weekend, as I always do. I listened to Know-It-Alls on Wednesday night after watching the episode.
     
  18. tivotvaddict

    tivotvaddict CreativelyChallenged

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    Yes, this was a fantastic perspective. She has a real talent, but then again Rob has always been able to find great talent. I haven't listened to the Kelly Wentworth Recap as of yet.
     
  19. hummingbird_206

    hummingbird_206 Retired

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    I think that's a huge cop out by production. They shouldn't have asked Kellee what she wanted them to do. They should have handled it without involving her or the other players so not to jeopardize anyone's game except Dan's. He violated the rules of the game. I'll quote this from TampaThunder's post because it explains exactly what should have happened.
     
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  20. MrCouchPotato

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    I just knew it was going to be a disaster of an episode when I started seeing the disclaimers. I thought I was done with it early in the episode, but kept it on for the entire 2 ridiculous hours. Now this show is turning into a smoking crap pile. I'll go back and watch the early episode again instead. So much more entertaining.
     

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