Survivor: Heros vs. Villians Finale 5/13/10

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  1. May 16, 2010 #1 of 515
    Peter000

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    I'm shocked there isn't a thread for this already.

    One of the best opening statements ever by Pavarti. "[Russell] was the dragon, and instead of slaying him, I kept him as my pet."

    AWESOME. She's got it, IMO. At least my vote.

    EDIT: And the three best players of the game ended up at Tribal, which makes me happy.
     
  2. May 16, 2010 #2 of 515
    TriBruin

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    I am SHOCKED that Russell kept Paravati over Jerri. Once again Russell's ego took him out of the game.

    I may eat my words in about 20 minutes, but at this point, I think it is Paravati's game. Unless she makes a huge blunder in Tribal, she has got it in the bag.
     
  3. May 16, 2010 #3 of 515
    mostman

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    I'm confused. Did Russell say, at about an hour and a half in, that he did not win last season? How would he know that?
     
  4. May 16, 2010 #4 of 515
    Peter000

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    Well, it was his correct assumption. He said, I think in the reunion show, that he knew he didn't win the million during final council by the way the jury was behaving.
     
  5. May 16, 2010 #5 of 515
    IJustLikeTivo

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    And in further news, Coach is still an idiot. If Colby thinks Russell is delusional, what must Coach be?
     
  6. May 16, 2010 #6 of 515
    Peter000

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    "King Arthur's journey has ended" :D
     
  7. May 16, 2010 #7 of 515
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    I called it 3 weeks ago. Here was my post on 4/30/2010. As a reminder, this was the night when Amanda voted off instead of Parvati because Candice and Sandra voted off Amanda.

    I couldn't understand Sandra's vote until now. Now I think her vote was a really smart decision to increase her odds of winning the game. My analysis is assuming that she's playing this game to win. She probably would prefer to vote off early rather than going to the final 3 and lose.

    So let's compare the 2 final 3 scenarios for Sandra.

    Remember that the final 12 consists of 7 villains and 5 heroes. These are the pool for the jury.

    Scenario 1: Sandra making to final 3 with the heroes

    Jury: 6 villains + 3 heroes. The 3 heroes vote will go to final 2 heroes not Sandra. Sandra will not get 4 villain votes (Russell, Parvati, Danielle, Jerri) because she betrayed them. She will probably get Coach and Courtney's votes. Tally: 2 votes. Sandra has zero chance of winning and a hero will win it all.


    Scenario 2: Sandra making to final 3 with the villains

    There will be 5 heroes and 4 villains in the jury. She can easily get 5 heroes vote because she tried to work with Heroes. She can argue that she voted Amanda only because Candice jumped the ship. We saw Sandra trying to convince Candice to vote off Parvati but Candice wouldn't listen. Sandra will also get Coach and Courtney's vote. Tally: 7 votes, Sandra wins in a landslide. I think Candice did a great favor to Sandra, if Sandra eventually wins.

    We never hear any strategy about how to get the jury's vote in the confession. But I'm sure Sandra did the math and concluded Scenario 2 is better for her.

    I'm not saying Sandra is going to make to the final 3. But given that she makes it to the final 3, she has much better chance of winning if she goes with the villains.

    Instead of final 3, if the final vote is between the final 2, then the same logic still applies. Do we know it's final 3 or final 2?
     
  8. May 16, 2010 #8 of 515
    IJustLikeTivo

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    I've come to one conclusion after all these years of watching. The reason the jury seldom votes as we expect is that they spend 1/2 the game hanging out at the ponderosa and that changes their feelings. I think they should all be isolated till the vote and see nothing but tribal. The questions they ask clearly reflect that they've been influenced by the other survivors once they leave the game.
     
  9. May 16, 2010 #9 of 515
    TriBruin

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    Well, I guess "this jury" DOESN'T respect Russell's game play either. Not a single vote!

    Now, can we rank Sandra (a two time winner) above Russell (a two time loser)? :D
     
  10. May 16, 2010 #10 of 515
    Peter000

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    Wow. Sandra. Well, kudos to her. Didn't expect that at all.
     
  11. May 16, 2010 #11 of 515
    SnakeEyes

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    Another GREAT season with a horrible result.
     
  12. May 16, 2010 #12 of 515
    fliptheflop

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    The flaw in this game is that its played by human's. Stupid emotions. They should have robots next season.
     
  13. May 16, 2010 #13 of 515
    IJustLikeTivo

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    I won't but she will. Russel had one huge huge huge disadvantage going in. He never saw his same on TV before he played again. He had no way to know how they were going to show his character and how it would influence the way the game worked. If he had been home for one season before going out again, he would have played a very very different game.

    What I still can't figure out though is why they voted for Sandra instead of Parvati who played a better game in every possible way.
     
  14. May 16, 2010 #14 of 515
    mostman

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    Garbage.

    I agree. Isolate them. Turns into high school.
     
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    bryhamm

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    :up:
     
  16. May 16, 2010 #16 of 515
    Double-Tap

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    What a season it was. The last time, I thought Russell deserved it more than Natalie, as venomous and cocky as the guy is. This time I definitely thought Parvati (she rocks!) owned sole Survivor more than either Russell or Sandra. I really wish she would have gotten the title because she's a hell of a player.

    But what can you say, that's the way the game works and it's up to the jury to decide. I only have to wonder if people on the jury rethink what they thought before and tend to regret their choice? Still, congrats to Sandra FTW.

    Russell has always been a snake and a HUGE bully! (I mean no disrespect to snakes, BTW.) I think it's Russell's cockiness/smugness that ultimately did him in more than how he played the game.
     
  17. May 16, 2010 #17 of 515
    TriBruin

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    Honestly, I doubt it. Watching the Reunion, he still doesn't get it. He truly believes that his game play is the best. Even with two straight loses.

    I think Parvati had the stink of Russell on her. I totally agree she played a better game than Sandra. But I think many on the jury could not separate her and Russell.

    Also, I think the Heroes felt they owed Sandra a vote for not listening to her earlier.
     
  18. May 16, 2010 #18 of 515
    IJustLikeTivo

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    I'd agree as well. Russell should have won last time but this time is should have been Parvati.
     
  19. May 16, 2010 #19 of 515
    Clarkey

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    Brutal! As much as I dislike the guy (Russell) you *have* to give him credit for how he played the game, in BOTH seasons. No votes!? This show has turned into a popularity contest, which is why its days are numbered.
     
  20. May 16, 2010 #20 of 515
    fliptheflop

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    Russell plays the game to win but his problem is he counts on the jury to pick the person who did the best in the game. That just doesn't happen anymore.
     

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