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Survivor Ghost Island "Can You Reverse The Curse" OAD 2-28-2018

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by heySkippy, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    The personal growth was great, but I didn't like the way Probst (and the editing) basically took away the focus from the actual challenge and made it all about Donathan. It was almost like the other tribe winning was completely lost in all of that. Just like I hated the way Probst made a big deal about Cirie walking across the balance beam. It's not an impressive accomplishment and it seems kind of patronizing to be lavishing all this praise on someone for completing what should be a very simple task. Kind of like how you praise a four year-old when they properly spell "CAT".
    I don't think there's any chance that people shifted their votes at TC based on Gonzalez' actions. It's just too risky. I think it's pretty clear they all went in with the intention of voting her out and her actions didn't change anything. If someone went in there thinking they were aligned with Gonzalez and that they were going to vote out Donathan, they would have clearly thought there were at least four other people voting that same way, and there would be no way to be sure that everyone was flipping. So you just "stick with the plan" as Keith Nale famously said.

    I do agree that Donathan will likely make for a more entertaining story arc and I'm glad he's still in the game. Just wish it wasn't at the expense of a very attractive woman. :)
     
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  2. brianric

    brianric Well-Known Member

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    Ugh.
     
  3. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

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    Yeah...I get that... And while it does draw a parallel to Cirie walking across the balance beam, I think this was much more significant... Cirie is confident, she just sucks at challenges... So yes, she was determined not to quit...that's cool... But as you say, nothing to celebrate and claim that it was one of the most emotional and incredible moments in Survivor history (which was kind of how Jeff positioned it).

    For Donathan, he doesn't have that confidence. He was a man (or shall I say, a boy) who didn't think he could to it...was scared to even make the attempt... And having his castmates encourage him, and having him deliver was both a boost to his confidence, as well as a boost to his social game. That one situation made him a real person in the eyes of his castmates, and it will be tougher to vote him off without some consideration...

    Prior to this situation, he was simply an unknown person who didn't have a lot of obvious value, and an easy person to vote off and forget about...

    I hope he doesn't disappoint me and become an arrogant *ss as a result of his new found confidence. That's also a possibility!
     
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  4. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I totally agree that it was a huge thing for him and a boost to his confidence and to his stature in the eyes of his teammates. I just didn't think it needed to be highlighted the way it was. He dove under the water and pulled a lever, for crying out loud!

    Also, didn't the team have a chance to strategize before the challenge and determine which players would do which portion of the task? How did they end up with the people who were responsible for the diving portion of the task being someone who obviously couldn't do it and someone who didn't think they could do it?
     
  5. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

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    ROTFLOL... When you put it that way, how can I disagree! :D

    Oh...and I didn't mention it, but I am "meh" on Ghost Island...

    I am definitely a fan of changing things up, but the Ghost Island "twist" just seems like an opportunity for the editors to leverage previous clips, and for the audience to reflect on past survivors (which I have to admit, I do enjoy)... But from a game perspective, I just don't see the big deal...

    So the winning team gets to chose who on the losing team gets to play Survivor Lottery?

    I'll hold my final decision on Ghost Island until I have more exposure to it...but so far, I am unimpressed...
     
  6. bryhamm

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    Yeah, I thought the same thing. Unless they thought they could do it, and then panicked when they started getting tired. It's kind of a scary feeling when you are exhausted and you are in water.
     
  7. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    If Jacob truly was boasting about his tribe after losing the first challenge in an attempt to get sent to Ghost Island, then that was brilliant (although I'm not sure he really knew that was coming). However, him immediately telling everyone that it was his plan and that they fell right into it was very stupid. He seems like that player who thinks he's super smart but just can't seem get out of his own way.

    Does anyone have thoughts on the fact that they didn't send Jacob to GI the second time? Jacob certainly expected it, and it would seem like a good strategic move to keep that knowledge confined to one person who seems to be a bit of a social misfit.

    And I'm curious about the setup on Ghost Island. Did the players have to smash the farthest-left urn? If so, the producers essentially guaranteed that the first person on GI would play a game for the chance to win an advantage, and the second person wouldn't get a chance to do anything. Part of me doesn't like the fact that the producers are dictating it, but on the other had, if they didn't set it up that way, they could have possibly ended up with the first two people on GI getting a "Sorry, no game for you" note, which would have been a really anticlimactic way to introduce this season's theme.
     
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  8. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    The worst part of that is that there were 2 players on the same team that couldn't dive 10 feet down to pull a lever. James pretty much just treaded water the whole time. Why not swim to the edge grab the side compose yourself and then dive down.
     
  9. DancnDude

    DancnDude Thrice as nice TCF Club

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    I'm pretty sure they have to break the vases in order. So the producers have pre-set the storyline on how the Ghost Island twists will reveal themselves (the Legacy Advantage makes sense to come out at the beginning so it can be willed to someone else all season long) but they don't know who will get them.
     
  10. VegasVic

    VegasVic Craps Player

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    Ross' take on Jacob was spot on

     
  11. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    be careful, it could be rachel or jessie instead. ;)
     
  12. brianric

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    Double ugh. :(:(

    If Rachel ever showed up on Survivor it would be the first time I would give up watching the show.
     
  13. VegasVic

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    For those who don't normally read Dalton Ross' recap (I think it's usually great) he was onsite the first few days and adds a few things that didn't make it into the final edit.
     
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  14. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Looks like it's confirmed by Probst that the producers set up the order in which there will be advantages available on GI, they just don't know who will be sent there:

    Jeff Probst breaks down the 'Survivor: Ghost Island' premiere
     
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  15. Squeak

    Squeak Well-Known Member

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    I think you mean just a tip of his fedora.
     
  16. pmyers

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    That's now how I read that at all. Yes they predetermined what are in the urns....but the note simply said "break an urn". Donathen just happened to pick the one next to the one Jacob did. I don't remember there being any markings or numbers on them. I don't see anything in that article that talks about an order.
     
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  17. pmyers

    pmyers Well-Known Member

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    Btw...am I the only one that took a good 10 minutes to make a determination on what Donathen is/was? I'm still not 100% sure.
     
  18. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    I initially thought he might be transgender but once he talked I correctly assumed he was a gay man and he confirmed it. I think I initially thought he might be transgendered because he looked so much smaller than all the other guys.
     
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  19. laria

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    I am glad they are subtitling him!
     
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  20. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I don't think it's a coincidence that Jacob smashed the one furthest to the left, and then Donathan smashed the one next to it. I think the urns have to be smashed in order so the producers can control when certain elements are introduced into the game. They can't control who goes to GI, but they can't leave it to chance whether an advantage will be available in any given episode.
     

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