Survivor 4/13 *spoilers*

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  1. Apr 14, 2006 #41 of 159
    Anubys

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    the blur seemed to be rather small ;)
     
  2. Apr 14, 2006 #42 of 159
    pmyers

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    Wow...That is some great deduction!

    Some random thoughts:

    I LOVE when they have these types of Immunity challanges where they can choose not to play. They totally screwed themselves ;)

    I sure thought whats-her-name was going to light herself on fire with that dancing.

    I loved hearing about the "fake idol". I (along with others) suggested what a fake idol could do from the very beginning.

    Why does everybody seem to be so sure that they could beat Terry in the final 2? He's made ZERO enemies.

    Could that challange have been any better for a Fighter Pilot?

    THANK YOU for not making us sit through all those tapes from home!

    I think it will be Aras to flip first because he knows that he's the one going home When/If the immunity Idol ever gets used. He also knows that Terry will want to compete against Aras to the end.
     
  3. Apr 14, 2006 #43 of 159
    Oldandslow

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    Agree! Maybe Terry, but the rest are just awful. Worst over-all Survivor group.

    :thumbsdown:
     
  4. Apr 14, 2006 #44 of 159
    sushikitten

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    I was thinking LaMina should have tried to get Aras on their side for voting. Could Aras have pulled one person?
     
  5. Apr 14, 2006 #45 of 159
    Mikkel_Knight

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    you're right...

    However, it would have immediately gotten me to examine my options since their (my team's) actions were VERY clear that they are VERY willing to see me go.
     
  6. Apr 14, 2006 #46 of 159
    Mikkel_Knight

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    He better figure out a way to do so this coming week else he's toast...
     
  7. Apr 14, 2006 #47 of 159
    Anubys

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    Since LaMina had voted for Aras at the last tribal council (or two, I don't remember), Aras would know that LaMina would turn on him as soon as they have the numbers...so Aras' only chance is to stick with his tribe...
     
  8. Apr 14, 2006 #48 of 159
    getreal

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    I don't know why, but I am constantly disappointed in Bruce for sticking with an alliance with Shane et.al. I would expect that Bruce would be smart enough to align with Terry.

    And I suppose someone has made the observation a long time ago that LaMina is "Animal" spelled backwards.

    Another observation -- for any video game fans of Tom Clancy's "Splinter Cell" series, Terry totally reminds me of the hero character "Sam Fisher" in the video games.

    I was a bit disappointed that Terry has not shared the secret idol with his former tribemates for the past couple of episodes as they've been picked off, but last night after Sally bit the dust, I had an "AHA!" moment when it dawned on me that Terry is playing for HIMSELF to WIN. Saving a former tribemate doesn't guarantee that he will last to the final four and eventually to the final two.

    Sounds like the medical emergency that was hinted at in a preview several weeks ago is finally about to be broadcast.

    Go Terry Go!
     
  9. Apr 14, 2006 #49 of 159
    ducker

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    lovin' seeing Terry tear it up... was a little saddened LAST week when he didn't drop the idol when Austin was still there. But I can see why he didn't use it this week. Even if he did, he would just be prolonging the inevetable, and giving himself less of a chance of going further.

    Now that he still has it... at least one of them is going home next week, and most likely the week after. As I don't see Terry losing back to back immunity challenges.

    All that being said, I wonder if their stupid alliance (of idiots) would hold true through the voting... they have held tight this far and that alone has been quite suprising. I totally thought that Shane was going to head out the week the women let him go from his promise that he would go to the final with them.
     
  10. Apr 14, 2006 #50 of 159
    lew313

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    The one person I would like to see in the final 2 with Terry or anyone else is Shane. I don't think he has a fan anywhere- Voting him off would most certainly be self defeating.
     
  11. Apr 14, 2006 #51 of 159
    marksman

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    Yeah that is my thinking too. Nobody is going to hate Terry for playing hard and winning every challenge. He never screwed any of them. For any of the rest of them they will have to have stabbed multiple people in the back.

    If Terry won out and Danielle some how ended up in the final, I can't envision a scenario for her winning, because even if she lucked into it and did nothing wrong, nobody would feel she did anything to deserve it, and at the worst others would be bitter.

    Their alliance has been the most tenous in Survivor history. A lot of dumb luck has allowed it to stay in force, in my opinion. Not to take away from their amazing challenge victories. :) I just think their strategy since the merge is akin to running the 4 corners in basketball and just hoping they can run the clock out before they other team catches up.

    If Terry does go, then we know Mr. Miyagi is next, if not Aras... Basically we have the Shane and the 3 ladies who seem to be running the show right now. I don't want to see any of them win. So I just hope something happens.

    As much as I get burnt up with contestants I do not like, I realize it piques my interest in the show hoping their demise even moreso than a win for a contestant I like.
     
  12. Apr 14, 2006 #52 of 159
    marksman

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    Yeah I thought about that too. I don't mind a little misty eyed nostolgia. He was blubbering like a newborn baby though. It was really unbecoming.... Part of my problem with all the hysterics and emotions is they have not been apart for a year, it is a couple of months at worst. Secondly, it is not like he is in a foreign prison camp, he is on a game show competing for a million dollars, and his son probably thinks that is cool.

    Crying like that makes no sense.... I don't care how close you are to your son. But, I always find these moments very interesting in survivor. I am extremely close to my family and friends, but I know being away competiting on a game show without them for a few months would not drop me into dispair or rolled up in the fetal position.

    Again, if your family were in some kind of danger or you were in a POW camp, I could understand this kind of response, but given the circumstances, it seems extremely overblown. Perhaps Shane was trying to gain some sympathy from others, but if so, I think he went too far.
     
  13. Apr 14, 2006 #53 of 159
    ParadiseDave

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    Ann asked me the question: "Where else in the world can grown men show off their *ahem* assets to women they have only known a month or less without being arrested and labeled a sex offender?" Not just inShane, but on several of the prior seasons.

    I then remembered one of the women (Sue?) from a previous season screaming about a lawsuit because naked Richard brushed against her. Whatever happened with that?

    CBS must have them sign some type of nudity waiver...
     
  14. Apr 14, 2006 #54 of 159
    DevdogAZ

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    I don't think it's a matter of him outright giving her the idol before TC. I think it's more of an arrangement like this: "Here is the idol in my bag. I'll place it on the ground by my feet within easy reach. If it appears that a couple of people have flopped and we will have numbers by playing the idol and ousting one of them, then you can go ahead and reach back and grab it. However, if the vote goes as usual and saving yourself will not give us a numbers advantage, you'll have to stand up and leave. Sorry, but the only way I'm allowing someone else to use MY idol is if it helps me."

    I'd be totally OK with Terry having a selfish arrangement like that since ultimately it is an individual game. In fact, I think the only time it might have been beneficial for him to give the idol away was the first vote after the merge when it would have only taken one defector to cause a power shift. Ever since then it's been foolish for him to show it and offer to give it away since they've needed to convince too many people.

    If giving away the idol puts Terry in a position where he can make it through a TC or two without winning immunity, they it's a good move. Otherwise, it's not and he should keep it for himself. None of the previos opportunities met those requirements so he has been smart to keep it.
     
  15. Apr 14, 2006 #55 of 159
    Tivortex

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    Emotional outpourings never do..."make sense"
     
  16. Apr 14, 2006 #56 of 159
    pmyers

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    I gave up on Bruce a long time ago....I've been disappointed in him since the beginning.
     
  17. Apr 14, 2006 #57 of 159
    DRobbins

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    Was I the only one surprised by the "Daddy, we miss you. Please come home right away!" pleadings from Terry's daughter on his videotape? I mean, he's in the navy, and long stints away from home are a way of life for military families. If she can't handle him being away for 3 weeks on a game show, how does she survive when he's away for two years on an aircraft carrier somewhere on the Pacific?
     
  18. Apr 14, 2006 #58 of 159
    LordKronos

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    Somehow, I suspect that has been specifically forbidden. Otherwise it could just end up as a case where you can hand it off to whoever got voted out, without having to strategize.
     
  19. Apr 14, 2006 #59 of 159
    LordKronos

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    You know, I was just thinking that could be next weeks emergency
     
  20. Apr 14, 2006 #60 of 159
    hearth

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    Everybody on the show talks about how Terry must "sweep" the immunity challenges to win, but if he wins JUST next week's challenge, he is golden. Here's why:

    Assume he wins next week, and the alliance turns on one of their own (let's say Aras, for the sake of the discussion). Now, the alliance is down to 5 against 1, but Terry still has the idol.

    Let's say he loses the very next immunity challenge. All he has to do is go up to the group, produce the immunity idol, explain how the clues pointed to how to find the idol (so that the group is firmly convinced that it IS the REAL immunity idol), and say "OK, I assume that you will be voting for me tonight. In that case, I will be exercising the idol's power AND one of you will be going home instead. And I will have a vote as to who that person will be."

    Let suppose that Shane's (hot-headed) response to that is: "Wrong again! We will have 3 people vote for you, and 2 people vote for who WE (the alliance) wants to go home tonight. Your one vote is meaningless!!"

    Then, Terry's response would be, "Hmmm, so one of you will be voting for me, not knowing that you alliance members are going to be voting YOU out instead. So, here is some advice from me to the 5 of you: If one of your alliance members ask you to vote for me tonight, be VERY careful, because that could mean that you are the one THEY are voting for."

    Now, Terry has just placed a seed of doubt, where 1 of the 3 people asked to vote for Terry is going to be going home instead. For people on the bubble of the alliance, like Bruce, they would have to insist on NOT being the one to vote for Terry. Chaos insues and likely Terry does not even have to use the idol, as the alliance has split.

    So, the only solution from the alliance's perspective is to say "OK. We are going public with the fact that Bruce (or whoever) is the next from the alliance to go". Now, if the alliance still wants to get rid of Terry's idol, they have to split their votes for Terry and Bruce. However, now Terry tells Bruce "Vote with me". The 4 people left from the alliance can't case 3 votes for Terry and 1 for Bruce, because Terry and Bruce would now control who goes home. Casting 2 votes for Terry and 2 for Bruce does nothing either, as now it is a 3 way tie with 2 votes for 3 different people, and any tie breacker is going to put one of the 4-person alliance at risk. The only way that all 4 members of the new alliance are safe is to cast 4 votes for Bruce, which allows Terry to keep the idol.

    Repeat the same process the next week, and whether Terry wins another immunity challenge or not, he is in the final four, likely still with the idol.

    So, in my mind, if Terry wins next week, he SHOULD be a lock for the final 2. I say "should" because we all know that people do not play this game like they should. If somebody is stupid enough to vote for Terry in the "alliance of 5", and get's sent home instead, then Terry is back to needing to win challenges again to make the final four.
     

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