Survivor - 11/2/11

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  1. Nov 3, 2011 #21 of 106

    VegasVic Craps Player

    Nov 21, 2002
    The Craps Table


    We obviously only see a small fraction of camp time but I find it hilarious that they could treat Cochrane like crap and then act all surprised and shocked when he flips on them. The "coward" comment was especially funny. I give Cochrane credit, he has no physical skills and no social skills and yet he's still going.
  2. Nov 3, 2011 #22 of 106

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    Does he really imagine that he could win? Yes, he might get far---perhaps all the way to the final vote. But why would anyone vote for him? (Though I guess they could vote against someone else...)
  3. Nov 3, 2011 #23 of 106

    billypritchard Embiggener

    May 7, 2001
    St. Louis, MO
    I think Cochran is screwed either way at the end. If he had stayed with Ozzy and gang and managed to make it to the end, would he have ever gotten Keith or Whitney's vote anyway? Or Ozzie or Jim? They showed so little respect for him, would they ever say, 'Oh yeah, he's a winner!'

    Now at least he can get to the end with an Upolo and hope that person has pissed off his tribemates enough to vote for another player.

    Who knows really?
  4. Nov 3, 2011 #24 of 106

    sburnside1 Active Member

    Jan 28, 2009
    Ummn Sandra won twice and she wasnt all that likable.

    Cochrane did fine. He voted along team lines, which was smart in case Ozzy flipped the idol to the person that was recieveing all the votes. They had 4 people elgible for votes. Obviously Cochrane would be the one voted out. So thats a 30% chance that Ozzy could give the idol to the right person. He told Cochrane Whitney, but that didnt mean he couldnt change people at tribal.

    I think from how he started Cochrane has done ok. Hes still alive. With Coaches group, he wont be treated like crap all the time. Hes still a wild card in that group so he may quite easily be picked for a "final 3" deal or 2.

    I really liked how Brandon stood up for Cochran both right after the vote and then told him to stay by him for the rest of the night. I know Brandon has meant well all season, but he had been looking crazy. This was a nice shot of him to show he really does mean well.
  5. Nov 3, 2011 #25 of 106

    bryhamm randomize

    Jun 30, 2004
    St Louis area


    The comment is actually pretty stupid. The cowardly thing to do would have been to NOT flip. Flipping, knowing he is gonna piss off his old tribe, is the opposite of cowardly ... imo.
  6. Nov 3, 2011 #26 of 106

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    Wasn't there a comment about where Cochrane should sleep that night. Coach said (I think) "between me and Edna, or next to Brandon". That was amusing too.
  7. Nov 3, 2011 #27 of 106

    jlb Go Pats!

    Dec 13, 2001
    Burlington, VT
    I also like how Brandon said "stay close to me". Brandon will be more loyal to Cochran than anyone else will be. The Coach/prayer/tight group dynamic will serve Cochran well. He just needs to survive one or two tribals.....just enough time to become a strong part of the Coach group.

    I think Cochran is going to go a lot further than folks think. I think that now he is where he is, he is forced to play strategy. I think this is his strong point. His knowledge of the game should help him here on out.

    There was a comment above that basically said if Cochran gets to the finals, he can't win. I think just the opposite. If he gets there, it will because of smarts/strategy and not floating. He made a strong move (flipping), which in the right contextual view, is a bolder move than Ozzy's.....

    Anyways, if he then moves forward to the end from where he is now, he'll be able to profess all the things he did that brought him to the end.

    I truly think if Cochran gets to the end, he can win....his knowledge of the game will likely allow him to give the best speech and be best able to respond to questions from the jury.........
  8. Nov 3, 2011 #28 of 106

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    Okay, is it Cochran or Cochrane? Is it Ozzie or Ozzy?
  9. Nov 3, 2011 #29 of 106

    VegasVic Craps Player

    Nov 21, 2002
    The Craps Table
    Yeah it was if they thought his old tribe was somehow going to come after him physically lol.
  10. Nov 3, 2011 #30 of 106

    Donbadabon Bored TCF Club

    Mar 5, 2002
    Nashville, TN
    John Cochran and Ozzy Lusth.
  11. Nov 3, 2011 #31 of 106

    pmyers Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Gilbert, AZ
    One of the best episodes ever!

    Put me into the "I hate that RI is continuing on after the merge!" category.
  12. Nov 3, 2011 #32 of 106

    MikeekiM Palindromer

    Jun 25, 2002
    SF Bay Area
    I was not a Cochran fan early in the game... But I am now!

    This is a guy that was on the hairy edge of getting voted off...and now I can't imagine this season without him... Bold moves like this are what make this game interesting to watch...

    And I agree with what has been said about his move being the exact opposite of being a "coward". It was a bold and brave move... This is why it is more than just a strength game... The folks on his tribe did not play a good social game at all...he never felt accepted or connected with that group from the get go... And this is the predictable outcome...
  13. Nov 3, 2011 #33 of 106

    WO312 Well-Known Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Ozzy was WAY too over the top with his story. Maybe the other tribe wouldn't have believed it anyway, but Ozzy blew the presentation.

    At the end of the day, though, I think the results would have been the same.
  14. Nov 3, 2011 #34 of 106

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    Yes, this. As soon as Ozzy started elaborating, I knew he had blown it. Waaay too forced.

    I have to say I was very impressed with Coach in this episode. He's still a pretty big flake, but in that conversation with Cochran he said exactly the right things to get to him. He played that perfectly, I thought.
  15. Nov 3, 2011 #35 of 106

    jpcapili New Member

    May 13, 2009
    I got teary eyed for Cochran twice. First, the discussion with Dawn when retrieving the treemail. Second, when Brandon defended him at the tribal council. It was like the nerd finally standing up to the bully as Coach had described it.

    There's moral value to the episode and has deeper meaning, which made it my favorite episode. :)
  16. Nov 3, 2011 #36 of 106

    TomK Active Member

    May 22, 2001
    Jim is a bully and got a little payback from Cochran. I can't wait to see next week's episode.
  17. Nov 3, 2011 #37 of 106

    Byteofram Survivor of C-bus

    Oct 29, 2004
    Buckeye Land
    Ozzy oversold it big time...just say "Cochran played an idol and sent me here, but it doesn't matter...let's do this." Keep it short and simple. But it didn't matter either way in this case.

    I can't stand Cochran....but it was a big move to flip. Those kind of moves are what makes the show fun and interesting...same with Ozzy's move last week (I just didn't agree with doing it last week although it worked out). Ozzy should have picked one of the 2 guys from his old tribe...I'd have picked Keith because if rocks were going to be picked I'd rather Keith not have a chance of getting one.
  18. Nov 3, 2011 #38 of 106

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    He wanted his Emmy moment.

    "I'm in it for....Revenge!"

  19. Nov 3, 2011 #39 of 106

    kettledrum Active Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Fishers, IN
    Good for Brandon to defend Cochran. He may be crazy, but he knows that the bullying isn't right. It seems to me that sometimes bullies don't even begin to think that they are bullying until they are finally told off?

    I was all rooting for Dawn when she had that speech to the camera about feeling bad because her tribe treated Cochran like crap, but then she backed down for her own self interest. Too bad.

    I loved the question from Cochran to Coach asking where he would be sleeping lol. It was a very valid question to ask!
  20. Nov 3, 2011 #40 of 106

    laria Librocubicularist

    Sep 7, 2000
    Seacoast, NH
    I don't know if Cochran actually knew who the other group was going to vote for for sure. There was an exchange between him and Coach that made it seem like while Coach knew that Cochran was their only hope of avoiding the rocks, he still didn't know whether or not to trust that he wouldn't tell the other tribe who they were planning on voting for (and then Ozzy would give that person the idol and ruin their plans).

    So they didn't tell Cochran who they were voting for for sure, let the tie vote happen, then Cochran knows who he is supposed to vote for in the next vote.

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