Suits - S5 Thread *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Steveknj, Jul 8, 2015.

  1. jr461

    jr461 Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2004
    Northern NJ


    fyp :D
  2. Flop

    Flop Member

    Dec 2, 2005
  3. frombhto323

    frombhto323 Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Washington, DC
    I think that is the only way to enjoy the show, as the premise itself is ludicrous. Once you realize (and buy into) that, it is just relax and not scrutinize too much.
  4. frombhto323

    frombhto323 Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Washington, DC
    I don't recall, either, as it has been much longer for me since I took it. I vaguely remember having to show some ID to be checked off a list before entering the room, but I'm not sure my memory is correct at this point.
  5. alpacaboy

    alpacaboy Well-Known Member

    Oct 29, 2004


    Watching "Self Defense" (S5e13, I think) right now.
    I think I've realized that if the series ended with Mike, and maybe Harvey, going to prison, I think I'd actually kind of enjoy that. It would be kind of funny.
  6. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

    Jan 7, 2004
    I'm still watching this but I don't see how they can get out of this without it being super duper far fetched.
  7. sushikitten


    Jan 27, 2005
    But isn't any resolution they ever come up with pretty far fetched? :)
  8. wprager

    wprager Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Ottawa, Canada
    I noticed that my PVR was not recording last night. Checked the show live and it was a new episode, but the guide info said original air recdate was Feb. 10. Good thing I caught it as I was able to set up a later recording (Bravo in Canada re-airs it a couple times). Anyone else have this problem? The only discussion I see here is up-to last week's episode (but that's not unusual).
  9. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

    Jan 7, 2004
    Very true! :p
  10. jr461

    jr461 Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2004
    Northern NJ
    The whole thing is preposterous so how can the resolution not be (but still entertaining, however :D).

    This prosecutor (forgot her name) is literally everywhere just showing up in front of firm employees, knowing everything about everyone and their friends and families and what they have all been doing down to the second, with pictures!
  11. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    I was thinking the same thing. She must have a huge budget. Apparently she has someone following Mike 24/7. And other people digging into everyone's history in minute detail. She even sent someone to Argentina on a moment's notice to track someone down.

    Quite a large budget to go after someone just for faking a law degree.

    I wonder how much she would spend to go after someone for defying a restraining order.
  12. efilippi

    efilippi Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2001
    Mundelein, Il
    I thought it very interesting that they had Donna be the one to crack. She is the unflappable one so it came as a surprise to me. I don't blame her at all though. There has to be at least one person on the show to root for and I am quite pleased that it be her.
  13. Cainebj

    Cainebj Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    New York
    I agree - based on the testimony so far - I don't see any way that he would not be found guilty...

    I wait with bated breath on what happens next.:eek:

    This episode the IN-fighting is pretty bad - hey, ya all are on the same side people!!

    Although... Imagine from a jury's perspective... I suppose I might buy that he got a degree but never actually attended any classes with his photographic memory etc...
  14. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    They all deserve to be in jail.
  15. Idearat

    Idearat Active Member

    Nov 26, 2000
    I think you need to view this show as if you were watching a superhero one. With a superhero show it's assumed that they can do amazing things that violate the known laws of physics, but it's important that they are consistent with the characteristics of the universe in which they live.

    In the universe in which Suits exists the firm the protagonists aren't "bad" guys, they're lawyers that sometimes "bend" the rules to help their clients. In their universe Mike was expelled from college based on his roommate selling a test to the dean's daughter, even though he was well qualified academically to continue. His taking of the LSATs (which gets someone into law school, doesn't pass them or help them pass the Bar) was done to raise money for his grandmother's medical bills. His eidetic memory, as well as ability to understand and apply what he remembers has shown him to to be as, if not more, prepared to take the bar exam than anyone who would have been his law school peer. He took the bar exam and passed.
    He's being brought up on fraud charges. He's passed the bar, even without going to law school, which is sufficient in some areas to practice law. (sometimes internship is required, which we've seen him do as well ). With all the detailed knowledge we have of Mike, we haven't seen him provide legal service as good, or better, that other lawyers on the show with his level of post- bar exam experience.

    So in the universe that Suits exists, we see that he has not intended to defraud his clients by providing substandard legal representation. Arguing that he should be convicted for fraud would be like arguing about Superman or Batman violating the civil rights of bad guys, forcing the release of anyone imprisoned after being caught by them or for them to be brought up on murder or manslaughter charges for anyone killed by them.

    Since a show were Superman has no powers would be less interesting, so would one where Mike Ross can't practice law. This requires him to somehow get past this case against him. Consistent with the universe in which the show exists I'd expect it to sort out in one or more of the following ways: Leverage against the prosecutor for something she's done bad that causes her to throw or drop the case. (we've seen her violate the law already) A tenuous legal loophole that stops the case before going to jury. Through perjury or other tricks the jury into acquitting him.

    Even if not found guilty by this trial, there's still a chance he could be disbarred, the bar set much lower for that to happen than his criminal trial. This still leaves a "sword of Damocles" hanging over his head to keep the basic premise of the show going. If disbarred he could always become a non-lawyer consultant and make a good living, but that would be as interesting as a show where Superman rides around in a cop car, using his super vision and hearing only after someone else obtains a warrant, subduing suspects with non-lethal force while reading them the Miranda warning before passing them off to the courts.
  16. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    That the protagonists have superpowers isn't the problem, it's that they've setup a premise where everyone else in the world has to be stupid. Any decent graduate education is going to require you to interact in some way, either with your classmates or with the professors, at some time. For anyone to believe that Mike Ross somehow earned his degree by only showing up for tests, without attending lectures, without interacting with other students, is too great a suspension of disbelief. His absence would itself earn him notoriety.

    Suits is a smart show, but it's gone down kind of a dumb path with this one. Mike Ross constantly being in danger of being caught is one thing, but now that he's actually caught it should be game over. He has got away with it so far solely because he his fraud hasn't been examined in detail, now that he's under close scrutiny, it all falls apart.

    I have no doubt that they'll find some way to manipulate their way out of the situation (superpowers, as you point out), but I don't see any reasonable way that could be done with his reputation intact. By now, his entire firm, as well as entire professional community would know that he was a fraud.

    As far as how he gets out of it, I'm betting they find some leverage on the prosecutor. She's way too personally invested in this prosecution. There's something about her we don't know yet, and it'll be her Achilles heel.
  17. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

    Nov 8, 2003
    San Jose, CA

    All along while I know they've been doing something wrong, and have sometimes skirted the grey area of the law, it's usually been for the right reasons.

    Now they are all blatantly doing illegal things (witness tampering, suborning perjury, destroying evidence) that I can no longer root for anyone at PSL. It's really absurd. The writers needed to find a way out of this without turning us against everyone at the firm. Or, just basically drop all the "someone's going to find out" stuff and move on.
  18. Beryl

    Beryl Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Feb 22, 2009
    The way they are going to get out of it is obvious but I won't say anything in case I'm right.
  19. sushikitten


    Jan 27, 2005
    So all three partners are screaming at each other in Jessica's office--with the door open, obviously--and Mrs. Opposing Counsel just walks up.

    Where is Jessica's secretary? Have we ever seen her have one?
  20. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    In the minds of the people in the Law firm, it CAN'T be game over because it would mean the end of the firm. So this is why they are trying to find some way, ANY way to get Mike off. What I find preposterous is this whole argument about Mike representing himself because "if they see me as a lawyer, they'll find me not guilty". That's just ridiculous. To me, that's like saying that "if they see me driving a car fast, I'm a race car driver". No Mike, you committed fraud, no matter how you look at it.

    I'm also not getting why the DA is being so over the top vindictive that she has to try to blackmail EVERYONE in the firm. To me, this show is kinda like the movie Catch Me if you Can. The show should have ended with Mike being found out, and they find a way to make good use of his skills. Not this "You're caught, and now I'm going to bring down everyone because I don't like you".

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