Suits - S5 Thread *spoilers*

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  1. Feb 4, 2016 #101 of 247
    efilippi

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    Why is there no simple "you law firm must by law employ qualified attorneys so show us Mikes Harvard bonafides and we'll be done with it?" Mike provides a diploma, the bar association verifies it, done.
     
  2. Feb 4, 2016 #102 of 247
    frombhto323

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    Mike has a forged diploma and has also hacked into Harvard Law's records and embedded his name and personal information, along with a fake transcript. Unless the DA can find someone to authenticate the diploma, we are meant to believe it looks real enough to anyone taking a scrutinizing look at it.
     
  3. Feb 4, 2016 #103 of 247
    JETarpon

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    Plus, "innocent until proven guilty," not "guilty until proven innocent."
     
  4. Feb 4, 2016 #104 of 247
    efilippi

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    Ok, I do recall some of that now, especially the hacking part.

    I don't think I could set up practice as a physician and do it freely until I'm proven to be a fraud. I don't think it is unreasonable for someone applying for a professional position to be asked to prove qualifications. Not like he could say "you prove I'm not a lawyer" and go on unchallenged until all possibilities that he might be a lawyer are exhausted.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2016 #105 of 247
    JETarpon

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    But it's the prosecutor who is going after him, not the bar. The prosecutor has to prove he committed a crime.

    The bar would probably have other means, as part of their licensing. But that's not what's happening here.
     
  6. Feb 5, 2016 #106 of 247
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    The dumb thing about this whole plot from the beginning of the series is that Harvey could have hired Mike to be a law clerk and Mike could have done almost everything a lawyer does except sign court documents and speak in court. They could have had the benefit of Mike's brilliance without the risk, but then there wouldn't be a show.
     
  7. Feb 5, 2016 #107 of 247
    wprager

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    I'm not sure if you were asking a question but I think you just answered it.
     
  8. Feb 6, 2016 #108 of 247
    zordude

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    Any resolution that includes Mike practicing law will be a huge disappointment (but not a surprise).
     
  9. Feb 6, 2016 #109 of 247
    cheesesteak

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    Mike will probably end up being a named partner.
     
  10. Feb 6, 2016 #110 of 247
    wprager

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    Any resolution at all will be very welcomed. Get back to the story lines I enjoyed when I first started watching.
     
  11. Feb 6, 2016 #111 of 247
    ElJay

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    No kidding! A new crisis every ten minutes in the show, it's really fatiguing and a chore to watch.
     
  12. Feb 7, 2016 #112 of 247
    Agatha Mystery

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    So I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but isn't there a provision that allows you to take the bar, even if you haven't been to law school (or an accredited law school), that allows you to practice law?
     
  13. Feb 7, 2016 #113 of 247
    DevdogAZ

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    Depends on the state. For example, in CA, you can take the bar without having gone to an accredited law school. In AZ, you have to have graduated from an accredited school.

    Apparently there are a couple states that will allow someone to take the bar exam after a certain amount of time working in a legal office rather than going to law school, but it's very rare.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/business...hout_law_degrees_require_apprenticeships.html
     
  14. Feb 8, 2016 #114 of 247
    Steveknj

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    Yep, then it becomes a procedural CBS crime drama :) The whole premise of the show was Mike fooling everyone. I guess the logical twist it could have taken was Mike secretly going to law school while actually practicing law. Heck, why not just enroll, take the exams, take the Bar and be done with it. But it's much more fun this way.
     
  15. Feb 8, 2016 #115 of 247
    cheesesteak

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    I was wondering what other ways they can prove Mike never went to Harvard instead of just relying on Sheila Sazs' memory and paper files. I assume there would be a Harvard email address in his name and its associated email trail. There'd probably also be a financial aid trail. Probably an id card and its security trail of what buildings were accessed.
     
  16. Feb 8, 2016 #116 of 247
    JETarpon

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    You say there would be these things, but you mean there wouldn't be these things.
     
  17. Feb 8, 2016 #117 of 247
    DevdogAZ

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    Because any effort he takes to get an actual law degree and take the bar will automatically legitimize any claims that he acted fraudulently before that.
     
  18. Feb 8, 2016 #118 of 247
    wprager

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    I would say logs of who entered which door aren't kept for a long time. It's Harvard, not Langley, VA. We are in S5, so his e-mail has likely been purged a while back (each year they admit how many thousand new students?)

    In my opinion they have way more "proof" that he attended Harvard that the DA has that he didn't. If all they have is Sheila Sazs saying "I remember every student, but I don't remember this one" I think the judge will dismiss the case immediately.
     
  19. Feb 8, 2016 #119 of 247
    wprager

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    If the onus was on Mike to prove that he was a student then it would be a lot more difficult (surely you can find *some* other former student who remembers you, since you are the wunderkid with the photographic memory).
     
  20. Feb 8, 2016 #120 of 247
    frombhto323

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    That's the first thing I thought when I watched the pilot. There is simply no need to give the title Attorney and allow him to represent clients as such.
     

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