Suggestions Requested to Correct TiVo Network Issue

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by HDTivoUser, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Sorry, but I have one Bolt set up as a MoCA bridge, and one Bolt set up as MoCA client. When I connect any active Ethernet wire to the MoCA client, it switches to bridge mode (MoCA + Ethernet). I just did it again to verify. I believe two MoCA bridges active on a LAN is a bad thing. The confusion comes in if you then try to turn OFF Ethernet to use only MoCA client - the Network Settings screen tells you that you have to disconnect the Ethernet cable to stop using Ethernet.

    In fact, if your Bolt shows [MoCA + Ethernet] and you then try to re-configure it to make sure it is only using MocA as a client, the setup screen specifically tells you that you must unplug the Ethernet cable to use MocA

    I will edit my first post to remove any confusion.
     
  2. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    I suspect this is simply doing the same things a manually turning off the DHCP server as I have recommended. But since I do not have that router, I cannot say for sure.
     
  3. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    See the difference?

    It does NOT stop using MoCA for network communication simply by connecting an Ethernet cable. As you just documented in this same post, the MoCA hardware remains active unless it is explicitly disabled ... turned OFF. See "(MoCA + Ethernet)." The earlier "Instead" post, a followup post and now this most recent comment all imply, or at least lead to the inference, that MoCA is disabled by connecting the Ethernet cable.

    A very bad thing, which is why the earlier comment stating that just connecting an Ethernet cable was all one needed to do to switch from a MoCA-client to an Ethernet-only connection required correction.


    p.s. The correction in the earlier post could stand a correction, as when switching from a MoCA-client to Ethernet-only connection, MoCA should be disabled prior to ever connecting the Ethernet cable ... since, as you've detailed, not doing so would result in dual MoCA/Ethernet bridges and likely bring the network to its knees, at least until the Ethernet is disconnected or MoCA disabled at this location.

    p.p.s. It remains a mystery, at least to me and one other TCFer, as to what the effective difference is in configuring a TiVo DVR as a MoCA bridge or MoCA client. (speculation here; open to new information)
     
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  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    This *is* an option, assuming @sangs meant putting the Netgear Nighthawk into "Access Point" mode -- unless Netgear uses conflicting terminology. Wireless bridge mode usually refers to configuring the router to act as a wireless client to another wireless access point, allowing the router to provide wired network connections to other Ethernet-capable devices through its built-in switch.

    e.g.
    wireless modes.png

    But I'd think just replacing the Quantum Gateway G1100 with the Netgear Nighthawk would be preferable, eliminating one device, an additional point of failure and configuration, from the setup, and enabling full functionality of the Netgear as the primary router.

    That said, using either device as an additional wireless access point could be of interest to the OP if the current location for the primary AP, built-in to the router, doesn't provide sufficient wireless coverage throughout the home; and MoCA could be used to provide a wired network connection to the secondary AP's location.
     
  5. HDTivoUser

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    Yes.....I was just going to reply about "Access Point Mode". I was just on the Netgear site to read about setting up the R9000 X10 (I'm not home at the moment). When running the set-up Genie....I am almost sure I selected it to run in "Router Mode" which is - "This mode allows you to take advantage of the Netgear router functions. The Netgear router is setup as a normal wifi router behind your existing router or gateway. This mode requires that all of your devices be connected to the new Netgear router and not your existing gateway".

    What I need to select is "Access Point Mode" - This mode is appropriate for easy setup if devices are already connected to your existing router or gateway, or if you just want to use this new Netgear router to extend your wifi coverage. Some router functions are not available in access point mode."

    This is the exact procedure I need to run when I get home:
    How do I change my Nighthawk router to AP mode after I’ve already run setup? | Answer | NETGEAR Support

    And yes....I agree that ultimately, it would be best just to lose the Quantum Gateway from my setup entirely.

    Thank you guys for continuing this discussion. I'm not a networking expert, so this discussion helped me understand more of what was going on with my network.
     
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  6. JoeKustra

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    That link and its diagram should work. I checked my R8000 and the menu is the same. You have a very nice router. It would be a shame to not use it 100%.
     
  7. JoeKustra

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    My Mini VOX uses the DAP-1650. Works just fine in bridge mode.
     
  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Yes, certainly, but the "bridge mode" that you and I understand is not what was described in the text of the post in question.
     
  9. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    Sorry. But I still like your diagram. :D
     
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  10. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    ^This^

    Unless @HDTivoUser has a desire to avoid using the BOLT as the MoCA bridge, disconnecting the G1100 and making the call to Verizon to fully enable the Netgear seems the simplest, best solution.

    That, and it may not be as simple as just reconfiguring the Netgear to Access Point mode, depending on what steps were taken to set up the G1100 as a bridge:
    If this just involved cascading the Netgear via a LAN-to-WAN connection, then, yeah, not a problem; though the G1100 wouldn't really be in bridge mode, if that's the case, just the primary router in a cascaded setup.
     
  11. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    It's D-Link's diagram copy/pasted, but, yeah, a picture's worth more than a few words.

    p.s. ... though I may tweak the diagram to colorize the wireless signals, to maybe make the wireless connections more clear.
     
  12. jmbach

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    I have a Linskys EA9500 and in order to use my EA9500 as an access point I put it in "bridge mode". They use the term loosely to do the following:
    • Connect two (2) routers with the capability of sharing the network resources
    • Use the router as an additional access point on an existing network
    • Connect the router to a modem/router from your Internet Service Provider (ISP)
    • Disable the router functionalities to work with third party devices
     
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  13. HDTivoUser

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    Successfully removed the Verizon Quantum Gateway from my system last night. Connected an ethernet cable to my Bolt VOX and created a MoCA network. All set up and able to use all features of TiVo app now.....with the added bonus of a, now direct, connection to my Plex library.

    Thanks again all!
     
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  14. sangs

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    Sorry if I used the wrong terminology. My bad. But yeah, I have the Quantum router as the primary for the FiOS signal into the house; ethernet cable from Quantum router connected to the Nighthawk; and the Nighthawk used as the main router (wired and wireless) in the home. I disable wireless on the Quantum router. Not only does my TiVo setup work flawlessly that way, but by using the Quantum router as the primary, this keeps the MoCa network active anywhere I want to use it by connecting a simple adapter to the coax run in any room.
     

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