Suggestions Requested to Correct TiVo Network Issue

Nor sure of the third option, but yes, I am pretty sure you need to disable Moca on the Verizon by some method.

 

Option 1: Fine. But you'd want to disable the Quantum Gateway's MoCA LAN via the gateway's UI to avoid the BOLT and G1100 both bridging between coax and the Ethernet LAN.

Option 2 & Option 3: I don't see how these are different. If you feel you could disconnect the coax from the Quantum Gateway (option 3) without consequences to your Internet connectivity, then it makes me think that the Quantum Gateway is currently connected to the ONT via Ethernet for its WAN connection -- which I believe is a requirement for FiOS Gigabit installs. I'm ignorant of FiOS but I don't see why the Ethernet connection from the ONT couldn't be direct to the WAN port of your Netgear router. And then, yeah, connect and configure the BOLT as your MoCA bridge, as you've described.

Some older/previous FiOS gateways allowed for using the gateway for a MoCA LAN even when in bridge mode, but it required some surgery on the LAN segment associations via the UI; I'm not sure the G1100 has the ability, and there's really no need since your "BOLT as bridge" solution, with the G1100 removed from the setup, is much simpler.

As for your previous preparatory thread...

Though your FiOS setup doesn't require a "PoE" MoCA filter for security (the MoCA signals wouldn't get beyond the ONT), you would still benefit from a MoCA filter installed on the input of what you referred to as your "home run" splitter. (see this post for info on the performance benefits of the "PoE" MoCA filter)

 

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There's an Option 4, as well, I think... an Ethernet WAN connection from the ONT to the Netgear's WAN port, then use a MoCA adapter (or a downconfigured G1100) at the Netgear location to bridge between the Netgear's Ethernet LAN and coax.

DSLReports lists a number of possibilities.

 

This will not work because then you will not have internet by removing the coax from the gateway. You can have gateway provide MoCa and still have ethernet on the Bolt (or just use MoCa, without ethernet)

To use Bolt as MoCa host, you need to disable the MoCa feature in the Gateway's settings, not disconnect coax, but other devices that rely on the Gateway's MoCa may not work.

 

Is Bolt connected by ethernet and coax? Seems you still need the coax to the gateway, if the coax (Mini) is on the same line as the gateway.

 

Sounds correct, but my understanding is that you don't need the Quantum Gateway at all, at this point. Couldn't you just as easily connect the ONT via Ethernet to the Netgear router's WAN port ... and entirely remove the G1100 from your setup?

Exceedingly short term, though... yes, simply disconnecting the coax from the Quantum Gateway would prevent the G1100's MoCA LAN from interfering with the BOLT's (planned) MoCA bridging.

 

Well, let's back up to the apparent root of your issue - the fact that you think you have two networks. If that is true, you simply need to fix that instead of trying to find some work-around.

Since you did not provide any additional information about why you think you have a "separate" network from your home network, or even what problems you are having, I can only guess at what to suggest. MoCA itself does not make a "separate" network, it just provides the hardware to bridge an existing Ethernet signal from cat6 wires over to coax wires.

The most obvious possibility is that you simply have two different devices configured as DHCP servers. If that is the case, just disable DHCP in the the secondary device and all will be fine.

The company that provides your Internet service will have set up a router as a DHCP server - I suggest that is always the preferred choice, so if you have added a second router on your network to provide additional services, such as WiFi or network storage, then just go into the configuration pages on that router and turn off DHCP. Everything else should continue to work just fine. For me, this makes a very clear demarcation between the Internet access for which THEY are responsible, and the rest of my LAN that I prefer to manage myself.

For example, when I moved to this house, my only choice for Internet was DSL, but I already had a high-end Netgear router with which I was very familiar and preferred to keep using for my main network configuration (ancient model now, but still gives me what I want). My solution was simple - I just left DHCP on in the DSL router (but disabled wireless and other services) and then connected my Netgear router to one port with the Netgear DHCP turned off.

Oh, by the way, if you insist on playing around with different network settings in your Bolt, you do NOT need to re-run Guided Setep at all. In fact, if you simply connect an Ethernet cable to the Bolt, it will instantly switch to using Ethernet AND create a MoCA network too [MoCA + Ethernet] without you doing anything at all (Ethernet is prioritized in the Bolt). I would not want two active MoCA bridges on the same LAN, so then you will need to go into Network Settings and disable MoCA on the Bolt. You might even find that alone solves whatever problem you are having, as the existing MoCA bridge will continue serving your Minis. But you still want to make sure you only have one DHCP server active on your LAN unless you have very specific reasons why you want to isolate some devices (like the computer used by an evil teenager!).

 

You're leaving out another option - putting the Nighthawk in Bridge Mode and making the Quantum router the "primary." That's what I do, and TiVo (two Bolts, two Minis) works flawlessly using MoCa. I don't use anything on the Quantum router but the ethernet ports - I have the wireless turned off and only use the Nighthawk's wireless networks. Now, you might have a reason for not wanting it like that, but just wanted to throw that option out there.

 

I know on the Comcast Arris Router/Gateways used here in Houston, when they are put in Bridge Mode, the MoCA is disabled. The checkbox is unchecked and 'greyed out'.

Maybe your gateway, too?

-KP

 

If you have an Ethernet cable running from your ONT to the Gateway, then your ONT probably has a DHCP server which is generating the LAN. I don't know anything about that Gateway box, so it could still be the DHCP server instead of the ONT; it depends on which port in the Gateway that cable connects to. But it does not really matter.

The problem you describe is simply that your Netgear router is configured to create a new subnet instead of using the existing LAN (and it probably also has a firewall to protect its own LAN from that evil network it thinks is outside of it).

As I said in my last post, you just need to disable the DHCP server in that Netgear router. You might need to change the firewall settings too, but I doubt that.

Just for comparison, my Netgear router does not currently have any Ethernet cable at all connected to the yellow WAN port (that used to go to the cable modem long ago). The only connection between the Netgear router and my DSL modem/router is just a normal Ethernet connection to one of the normal LAN ports on each device. Everything else in my house is connected to one of the other LAN ports on the Netgear router or the Netgear wireless. In the Netgear LAN Setup screen, I have UN-checked the option to use the Netgear router as a DHCP server.

The default LAN IP address in my DSL modem/router is x.x.254.254. Just to make management of my LAN easier, I have configured the DSL router to assign fixed address x.x.254.253 to my Netgear router. I also configure separate DHCP address pools in the DSL router for different types of devices, but that is in no way actually necessary for the LAN to function.

 

“Instead” is the case for Wi-Fi and Ethernet, but enabling/connecting Ethernet doesn’t disable the MoCA hardware.

 

If you have a Bolt configured as a MoCA client, and then connect an Ethernet cable to it at any later time, it will immediately switch the network settings to [Ethernet + MoCA], which uses Ethernet for communication while also creating a MoCA bridge. There is no way to disable Ethernet without removing the cable. I never said it disabled any hardware of any type, it just stops using MoCA for network communication, and you do not have to make any changes at all in the Network Settings screen for this to happen.

 

+1 for what sangs posted

 

Make the call... BOOM. Done.

(Though, again, Option 3 ... disconnecting the coax from the G1100 ... would allow immediate setup of the BOLT as your MoCA bridge, after which you could make the call to Verizon to activate the Netgear as your router.)

 

My experience, and that of many others who’ve posted here, differs from your description.