Suggestion for the Meets section

Discussion in 'Forum Operations Center' started by Gunnyman, Jul 23, 2006.

  1. Rcrew

    Rcrew Active Member

    Jan 3, 2002


    Oh, and another question, with a preamble... and I hesitate with the preamble, because I've seen them turn into an 'I'm not intending to offend you...' excuse to offend someone. Not my goal here.

    And David, I absolutely understand this isn't a democracy. This is your child, please don't infer anything other than that from this question.

    I've read through here, and other than David, the only posts I see supporting no change are Dougs. I also read a comment from him that should the Meets section go to registration required for read, he wanted settings done that would allow bots/spiders to continue to search.

    I'm not terribly web savvy, so I'll ask as best as I can. Doug, do you use those kinds of tools to search, index, sort, categorize, and archive information from the meets thread? I'm not asking what you do with such information should you be grabbing it, just wanting to know if you are archiving it.
  2. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Jan 1, 1999
    Hi Rcrew...

    The sponsors of the site like to see fresh traffic more than just returning visitors. Returning visitors do not pay as much attention to the ads for the most part. The sponsors care for the most "eyes on" any given ad. As such, if the same people just returned all the time, the ad views are less attractive as a marketing point.

    The total registered members really does no play a roll for the most part for we do not do a mailing currently which would attract them to that number.

    For yesterday for example...Here are the stats...

    Monday July 24th 2006
    Total Unique Visitors 39,124
    First Time Visitors 30,050
    Returning Visitors 9,074 (As tracked via a cookie)

    So to answer your question...No bonus. Nice thought though. (BTW...We only really have 4 sponsors of this site who asked to be here directly (TiVo being one). All the others are AVS Ads that I also run here that do not pay to be here directly. Thus I am working on complete new model for this site to keep it running.)

    Side Note....The moderators do not see an issue with the meets being closed to registered members only. I also do not see a major reason it could not be either other than I like the idea of people seeing a community like this in action. If they can not see it, they may not get the attraction. As you can see by Monday numbers alone, a lot of new eyes seeing the site daily.

    After speaking with some people, their seems though to be more to this request though. We still have no real answer as to the request other than "and all of us there were in agreement that it sounded like a good idea". But for what reason? Why was it even talked about? Kids photos? We are at a loss on it all together. I do not make changes on a whim. As mentioned, as you again can see by the numbers, eyes on what is happening between forum members with meets can be of interest to see. Right now...of the 19 people viewing the area, only 4 are logged in as members. Thats my point I guess. But no one seems to see that aspect of it. I do, for I need to consider all viewers and most forget I need to look at a much larger picture.
  3. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

    May 25, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    I just want to say, David, that even if you don't make these changes, I appreciate that you've been very open minded about this and willing to listen to discussion. I fully understand and appreciate your side of this argument, and would like to say Thank You for at least listening to this suggestion.
  4. Gunnyman

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

    Jul 10, 2003
    what Skittles said.
    Thanks David.
  5. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

    Dec 3, 2000


    There was at least one other... at least I do construe from him posting his SS# (or pretending to), that having the section available to anonymous readers isn't a problem with him. :)

    There's also this mysticsim around some parts that spreads a lot of rumors and innuendo about what I do with forum info/statistics gathering. If I wanted to grab full text of the forums, I could... since I'd be writing scripts to do that specifically, with the knowledge it'd have to log in in order to get everything. After all, I have to have the script log in to update posts like the member posting statistics or the Now Playing index.

    In this post, I'm referring simply to the typical search engine spiders that just scan web sites anonymously and have no specific ability/intelligence to log in to gain access to private areas. There are certain conventions they obey, including not indexing or caching the contents of individual pages based on some meta keywords that can be placed on the page. It'd be possible to detect a bot/spider accessing the site and to allow it access to forums that are otherwise members-only, and to specify that those pages not be cached by the search engine, but allow them to be indexed. Then someone using a search engine could still find stuff, but the only way to view the contents of the page would be to come to the site, where they'd have to be registered to view the content.

    I do not now and have never previously archived the full-text content of any post or thread in this forum/site/family of sites. At most I track threads (and their title/creator/dates), and even that was limited to the Now Playing forum until I was asked to produce some statistics of all posts for use in some sort of Vegas TC Con contest a couple months ago.
  6. YCantAngieRead

    YCantAngieRead Not Entirely Current

    Nov 5, 2003
    Agreed, and thanks to your explanations, I've had a couple of questions answered that I wanted to ask but didn't want to come off the wrong way. :)
  7. shady

    shady Previously European TCF Club

    May 31, 2002
    You have to admit though, that the logical place to discuss that would be in the TiVo Upgrade Center Forum.
  8. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

    Dec 3, 2000
    Possibly; except it might be considered clutter to people looking to get upgrade info -- at least if there was a lot of such gatherings being talked about/considered. Though the moderators are real quick to move any thread discussing any aspect of a meeting of users to the Meets forum. I'm actually surprised they haven't yet done so with this thread. :) They've recently hit other threads that had nothing to do with meets and moved them, just because the thread discussed some people who got together (not in any way a TCF gathering).

    In the same sense the placement of the Meets forum on the main page is odd -- at the top of the "Main TiVo Forums" section, which seems to place some sort of extra emphasis on it.

    There'll often be confusion though. I still haven't quite figured out if I should talk about a movie in theatrical release in the "Now Playing" forum or in the "Happy Hour" forum; I usually post about movies in Now Playing if they are on a TV/cable channel only.
  9. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Jan 1, 1999
    When created I wanted it to get views to draw attention to the meets. No better place than the top of the site. Not to mention, it was not meant to be an off topic type area, but related to the site and TiVo Community meets.

    Dan mentioned that the numbers posted above for current readers of the section may be like that based on the placement. (Which means it is doing what I would have liked it to do.) But I have at this time moved it down to the Off Topic area just above HH to see what happens with the numbers.
  10. Ereth

    Ereth Unemployed Bum

    Jun 16, 2000

    I have no opinion on this either way, as I don't spend much time in the Meets area, but it struck me while reading through the thread that we have had one issue with pictures of children posted at a Meet in the past, and that was when some pictures of the first Meet included Justapixels child and someone took those pictures of her child and photoshopped them into rather unpleasant pictures. I believe they ended up on Fark, but I don't remember for certain.

    In any case, that's the only instance of which I'm aware, but I do remember that JAP was quite upset over it (rightly so!) and it made her change her whole demeanor about posting pictures.

    I don't know if one incident in 5 years is sufficient to warrant locking the Meets forum or not, and as I said, I don't care one way or the other, but since you were asking about any specific reasons one might want that, I thought I would remind us all of that. I would think Ann, at least, would be in favor of it, given her history.
  11. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

    Apr 2, 2001
    It was a pic of her son from a meet that got Farked. But I suppose it could have been done by someone who WAS registered member of the board. Maybe even one who was a regular poster.

    I like that the Meet forum is now under the "Off Topic" section. Always seemed a tad odd that it was the very top most forum to me as well. I guess mostly becasue I don't expect many people who aren't at least semi-regular HH posters to care enough to meet. Then again, it's probably happened, so maybe David's placement of it really wasn't all that off the mark.

    as far as the Off Topic section being locked out to non-members? I never even knew it was like that until people pointed it out way back in the past. Since I AM a member, I'll never notice, and it really won't ever effect me.
  12. StanSimmons

    StanSimmons Senior Moment Member

    Jun 10, 2000
    Cool, it moved. Is it locked now too?
  13. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

    Apr 2, 2001

    I think everything in the Off Topic section is only viewable to registered members.
  14. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Jan 1, 1999
    LOL I never checked if the above was the case. That would mess up my test. :)
  15. unixadm

    unixadm Super Moderator Staff Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Wichita, KS
    Yes, David, that is the case.

    I logged out and could not see the listing of the Off-Topic area at all...including the meets area.
  16. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Jan 1, 1999
    Ok thanks...well lets see what happens. (less work then me having to setup new permissions for my test.) :)
  17. dthmj

    dthmj Hinky TCF Club

    Mar 12, 2002
    Thank you for moving it down a couple notches in the listing. Being a creature of habit, I was really being thrown off with Happy Hour not being in it's proper spot.

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