Suggestion for the Meets section

Discussion in 'Forum Operations Center' started by Gunnyman, Jul 23, 2006.

  1. jennifer

    jennifer Well-Known Member

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    DB - thanks for still keeping this thread open for further discussion.

    If you made this a paid site, I would become a member. But if you will look at some of the job loss threads, you will see that a lot of folks are hurting financially right now. I would hate to alienate those valuable members during times when they need the support and connections that this board brings to their lives.
     
  2. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    I believe there are/have been gatherings where the purpose is to bring ones TiVo(s) and upgrade them -- thus having the help of people who've done it before as well as making a social setting of it.
     
  3. Gunnyman

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

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    I have one question
    what is it about the "type of thread" in the HH section that caused you to block IT from unregistered users?
    I'm just trying to understand. I'll echo what others have already said. Keeping the Tivo oriented sections of this Forum open for searches etc and keeping the non Tivo stuff exclusive for registered users just seems to make sense to me.
     
  4. eddyj

    eddyj Señor Member TCF Club

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    As I understand it, HH was a spam magnet, and the mods were spending a lot of time cleaning it out. The other areas do not seem to get the same volume of spam. Or I could be totally misremembering. :)
     
  5. JustAllie

    JustAllie Number crunchin' TCF Club

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    ...also popping in here to say I think it's a good idea to move the Meets section to the "registered-users-only" category. While people don't share specific details like addresses and phone numbers in the Meets threads, they do share more general info like the neighborhood they live in, for example.

    Anyone who posts on TCF even once will need to register and therefore will be able to see the forum, so people who are only interested in the Meets section because they want to participate in an "upgrade party" can certainly do so.
     
  6. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    I will not be getting into the HH as a registered-members-only area talk again. Went through that a long time ago and not going to start it up again. Move on.

    Gunnyman it sounds like you want all non-tivo areas closed to public view for you keep harping on the HH area. You know, seeing the site was made for interest in TiVo, I could have 1) Made it that way all together with no off topic areas or 2) Made the other areas that are non-TiVo all pay to use areas with a yearly membership fee for access.

    As I had mentioned, I feel the meets area is a plus to the site as being seen openly. Remember, a meet is suppose to be about getting together for like reason...in the case of this site, it should be TiVo. But it is beyond that at this point.

    Still listening. But please give me something to work with. :)
     
  7. Gunnyman

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

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    No not at all david. I was just curious. Hardly harping.
    Oh and I see having to register as a user to view the non tivo sections as an enticement TO register.
     
  8. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    I think it might be a good idea to keep the Meets forum in the forum list, but just require that people register/login before viewing the Meets forum. I mean, if people come here to look for meets, all we're doing is asking them to sign up for TCF before they view it as a matter of trust. It's good for us, because it deters the spammers (we've been seeing them a little more frequently in the Meets forum) and it helps TCF, too, because we get a new member in the process.

    It encourages the people to stay around, too... by making them sign up, they've become invested in TCF and are more likely to come back. We have a lot of lurkers in TCF, and in the Meets Forum too. By asking them to sign up, we increase the number of unique members we have here.

    It also makes the existing members a little more comfortable by knowing that Google isn't indexing their pictures. It's not that the pictures aren't appropriate... just that those pictures becomes broadcasted to the whole world at that point.

    And by keeping the meets forum in the forum list, but requiring registration to view it, it just means one small step for people to view it... registering for the site is quick and easy. We keep the forum in the forum list so it's still visible when people come to the site, and they can read the description for the Meets forum, so there's still good exposure for it.
     
  9. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Nicely Said Skittles.

    I still do not see the issue with the indexing seeing that the images are already used usually on other personal sites though as mentioned.
     
  10. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    Well, with people's personal sites, they can enable measures to stop the googlebot and other search engines from indexing their site.

    The small change would make a lot of people happy, and it wouldn't hurt the site too much. The lurkers would still be able to log in and view the meets forum, the existing members feel a little better about the security of the site... and making the change shouldn't hurt anyone. In fact, having been to quite a few meets myself, I can safely say that we've never had someone show up that hadn't been a registered member of TCF for a few months.

    And realistically, it's a change that helps the membership as a whole... because people just get encouraged to sign up for TCF, and we really like that. More people signing up for TCF means we have a bigger community, it means better membership numbers for the board. It helps people establish a presence about who they are, and encourages them to come out and join and be a part of our big family, rather than letting them sit in the wings.
     
  11. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Most people have no idea how to do what you are referring to. My point was that if it was a security thing for the childrens photos, then they should not be posted here or anywhere. It become mute. Or any photo posted for that matter.

    It is only a handful of people in the scheme of things actually that have mentioned any issue at all. It was brought up because of the childrens images I do belive. It has been like this for quite some time and has not been an issue.

    This really does no do anything for the membership itself in regards to making the site a better place. But does restrict people who may have an interest in attending a meet if they just happened upon the site and one is in their area. Thus they could resister to RSVP if needed. As mentioned, a TiVo meet is what it really is for. But is being used for something else.

    Thanks
     
  12. dswallow

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    That reasoning could be used for every forum; "require registration to view it and people will register, et. al."

    The reality is that when it's time, a lurker will register and say something; till then they lurk. Frankly there's already a significant number of registered users who don't visit often and have never posted. Requiring registration doesn't make someone participate.
     
  13. JustAllie

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    Is it such a bad thing that people are using the Community Meets forum to arrange community meets and to enhance their friendships and ties to this community? If it keeps people coming back here and generating clicks on ad links, that's good for the bottom line too, right?

    I immediately think of Weaknees, 9thTee, and PTVUpgrade when think about fixing or upgrading my TiVo, and I'm sure all those blinking ads I see every day have helped engrain this in my subconscious. :D

    Hmm... My Humax needs a new hard drive.... wonder where I should go to buy that..... <click> :up:
     
  14. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    I'm not sure that's a relevant point. Whether the meet is strictly TiVo related or not, it's strangers who met online getting together in person. Whatever issues exist, they are there regardless of the purpose of the meet. It is still a social occasion that resulted from participation in this forum. You don't need to meet other members to discuss TiVo and get information and answer questions. Meets are social events no matter how you look at them.

    Personally, I'm not even saying that I think Meets has to be members only, but I just think that the nature of what happens dictates that Meets and HH should be treated the same way, that's all.

    Just my additional 2 cents. ;)
     
  15. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    I'm curious -- was there a basis for this request? I mean, did some discussion occur elsewhere in the forum about some incident or concern that then led Gunnyman to post the request over here? It just seems this came out of the blue to me, so maybe there's something I'm not considering when forming my opinion about the idea.
     
  16. Gunnyman

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

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    Actually I thought the section had been accessible only to registered users all along.
    We were discussing this at the Atlanta meet and all of us there were in agreement that it sounded like a good idea and we were all surprised it wasn't set up this way already.
    There wasn't any omigosh I can't BELIEVE this was going on or anything like that. It all started as a simple idea which turned into a suggestion which then turned into this wonderful thread where I have apparently become a harping maniac. ;)
     
  17. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    I have to agree with hefe. Whether or not people are meeting to discuss TiVo isn't really the important thing. People are meeting because of this forum. They talk about the things that happen on this forum.... the posts, threads they enjoy, other members they like... even though TiVo can often become a peripheral matter, they're still getting together becaues of this forum. In fact, there are so many people who come back and become regular visitors to the site because of those meets.

    While I will understand and respect whatever decision you make regarding the public/private status of the meets forum, David, I hope you won't hold the meets in a negative light. They really do bring a lot to this place.
     
  18. David Bott

    David Bott Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Oh No...the meets section is great! Don't get me wrong here. I was trying to say that the real reason for making them is to get people together with a like interest. In this case it would be TiVo. On AVS, it is home theater and gear.

    It has become other things, sure. Some good, some bad (IMHO), but not a negative on the site. Thus is why I like to have it readable. I was just looking for more arguments other than security which was the main reason the the request to be made and really does not hold water to me.

    Thanks
     
  19. Boot

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    Sorry to jump into this discussion late, but I just wanted to make an observation. It feels like TCF has two very well-intentioned, but conflicting, goals. If that could be resolved, it might make people feel more comfortable about the Meets forum.

    The first goal is to use the Meets forum as a way to attract members, make them see TCF as a true community, and want to get involved. I think that's a great idea. I think most people would agree.

    The second goal is to keep all meet discussions out of Happy Hour, so as not to alienate people who can't go to meets, or clutter up HH with things that don't apply to everyone. I understand that too, but as a result, post-discussions and pictures and all kinds of threads not related to the announcing of the meet, end up being moved to the unsecure Meets area. I think this is where people start to get concerned.

    Maybe a good compromise would be to leave the Meets forum public, but allow people to have meet-related discussions in HH. That way, if people want to publicize a meet, list the particulars, talk about what to do, etc., they can choose to put it in the publicly accessible Meets area. And if people want to talk about things that are a little more sensitive, like making housing arrangements, or sharing pictures and stories, they'd be free to post that in the more secure HH forum.

    Unless I'm missing something, I don't think this should be a big deal. Naturally, there are threads in HH that some people are interested in, and some aren't. People have different interests. A meet-related discussion is really no different from this. And typically, far more people read and posts to meet threads than just the meet participants. So the topics really are of broader interest. And as for the Meets forum, it's a lot less intimidating to newcomers to just have a list of meets, details on each event, and how to participate, rather than a forum full of personal story threads, picture threads, and a whole lot of discussion that doesn't pertain to them.

    Would this make sense? Or am I missing something?
     
  20. Rcrew

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    Hey David, a question.

    I assume you use traffic monitors/reports to attract and possibly set costs for advertisers? Do you make a differentiation between casual visitors and registered members? Do your clients view higher membership numbers as garnering a more consistent audience?

    Assuming that requiring membership to read the meets forum would in fact increase registrations, would that then be a bonus to the business side of this operation?
     

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