Success Adding (and replacing) drives to Pioneer TiVo/DVD

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  1. Nov 19, 2003 #1 of 287
    tivoupgrade

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    Here's an update on the Pioneer DVR upgrade movement...

    Success with both the addition and replacement of drives in both the Pioneer DVR-57H and Pioneer DVR-810H* units.

    Here's the scoop:

    1) regardless of whether you plan on replacing or adding a drive you'll need a backup of a DVR-57H image, as the DVR-810H images thusfar have, for some reason, been impervious to utilization by MFStools (ie MFStools doesn't work for the software image on the DVR-810); with that in mind, if you have a DVR-810H you really have no choice whether to replace or not, its just a question of whether you want to replace with one or two drives. if you've got a DVR-57H, you do have the option of simply adding a drive. this can be done with MFStools or BlessTiVo, but bear in mind, that if you add a drive, the two will be married - so best to have a backup in case of a drive failure in the future.

    Update: As mentioned previously... many Pioneer 810HS models do not behave "as expected" when it comes to expanding images using the -x or mfsadd commands. Up until a few months ago, there were a few 810HS images floating around that were "expandable" but many folks found that the traditional backup/restore and expand operation did not work as expected. With that said, JamieP developed a tool called "toshiba_unlock" which solves this problem for the Pioneer/Toshiba DVD models that exhibit this behavior. The tool is bundled with our LBA48 CD (free download) available here.


    2) for drives greater than 137GB, you'll need a bootable CD, such as our free lba48 cd available here, so that you can fully access the capacity; there are details on using tpip for initializing your swap space on the site, as well in the startup for the bootable drive - but keep in mind that reliably creating a > 127GB swap file on Pioneer units is not yet possible, and that there is a bug in mfsfix on the TiVo 5.2 OS, so its unlikely that anyone will benefit from a > 127GB swap file on these units; you can use MFStools in whatever way you are most comfortable.

    3) adding a drive, from a hardware perspective, is not as easy as replacing a drive; you need to remove the DVD recorder and then the tray beneath to expose both IDE interfaces, and replace the secondary IDE interface cable with a dual IDE cable. Removing the tray is not *that* difficult, but you do need an extra long #2 Philips screwdriver to get to one of the screws near the front cover. you will also need to open the DVD drive while the power is on and unsnap the bezel from the front of the drive tray (very easy to do) so that you can slide the DVD drive off the tray from inside. i'm sure we'll have some photos of this shortly.

    4) the real issue when adding a drive is where to mount it, and we're considering some possibilities there. SmartStart should handle any concerns related to power (we've tested with a Maxtor and Samsung together), but certainly not a requirement as the unit boots just fine with two drives and the DVD recorder. Cooling is definitely a concern, but not something we're particularly worried about as long as the unit is in a properly ventilated space.


    My overall feeling here is that adding a drive is something to shy away from for a variety of reasons, however for those who are 'into it' its certainly quite doable for those willing to completely disassemble what appears to be a nice new toy.

    Lou
     
  2. Nov 19, 2003 #2 of 287
    Twist

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    Great! Who is going to be kind enough to share their DVR-57H image so I can upgrade my DVR-810H? =).

    -Twist
     
  3. Nov 19, 2003 #3 of 287
    9thTee

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    You will need a special bracket to mount the second drive and are working on mods to the PTVupgrade/9thTee bracket to accomodate this unit. We will post when more information if available.

    Mark
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  4. Nov 21, 2003 #4 of 287
    boone

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    Me to please :)
     
  5. Nov 21, 2003 #5 of 287
    tivoupgrade

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    To quote Robert S,

    "click"
     
  6. Nov 26, 2003 #6 of 287
    DCIFRTHS

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    Lou,

    The link isn't working or I don't have access to this thread. Would you confirm please?

    Thanks.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2003 #7 of 287
    Robert S

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    Lou had started a thread called something like 'request your images here!' in the hope that people would add to that thread rather than each start a new one. Surprisingly, it was actually working - you'll notice there aren't any 'I'm too lazy to use Google, can someone tell me where a backup is?' threads over the last few days.

    Now the thread has disappeared without trace. Hmmmm...
     
  8. Nov 26, 2003 #8 of 287
    tivoupgrade

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    Yes, the thread has disappeared without a trace. I didn't delete it. Nor did I get any emails from the moderators (I sent them an email prior to creating the thread), but I can only assume that someone didn't like it.
     
  9. Dec 20, 2003 #9 of 287
    DCIFRTHS

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    A few questions for expanding a 57H image on a 300 GB drive.

    1) Boot using Lou's disk. Is the kernal it boots with the one I should be using for my upgrade?
    2) Use MFSTOOLS2 to expand the disk.
    3) Increase swap size to ??? MB? How do I do this if the max is 127 MB using MFSTOOLS 2?

    Any other help would be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  10. Jan 1, 2004 #10 of 287
    dkostan111

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    Hi all. I looked around the web, asked around in this forum, and no one had or was willing to give me a 57H image so I could upgrade my 810. It was actually suggested that I just buy the 57H! So I went on my own and managed to do it with the existing tools (MFSTools 2.0). I now have 293 hours of storage on my 810H (with my new 250 Gb hard drive). I would be glad to share extactly what I did with ANYONE that asks (although I did not feel this way at first).

    Cheers.
     
  11. Jan 1, 2004 #11 of 287
    cap

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    I'm curious how you did it.
    Although I was able to find a 57 image.
     
  12. Jan 1, 2004 #12 of 287
    DCIFRTHS

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    I'm very curious. Please tell.
     
  13. Jan 1, 2004 #13 of 287
    tivoupgrade

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    There is no mystery here - just use a boot CD with LBA48 support and MFSTOOLS 2 works absolutely fine.
     
  14. Jan 1, 2004 #14 of 287
    weaknees

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    If you attempt to use mfsadd (or restore with -x) with a Pioneer 810H image, mfstool will report that the extra space has been used. But the TiVo won't recognize it - it'll think that you still have between 80 and 90 hours. Maybe that's what's going on here?

    dkostan111 -

    Have you verified the increased capacity in your System Information screen?

    Michael
     
  15. Jan 1, 2004 #15 of 287
    DCIFRTHS

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    Did you guys add a large swap file? If so, how? Any information would be appreciated.
     
  16. Jan 1, 2004 #16 of 287
    dkostan111

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    Okay. I tried to make post but it was just rejected becuse I put in a URL to the boot disk. I dont know why it worked since I dont know why it did not work before. Here is what I used:


    from exisitng rev

    5.2.1-01-2-275
    DVD FW rev 1.31
    THis was updated from the original out of box 810H SW code rev after forcing 2 call ins after getting a lifetime subscription.


    To create backup:

    mfsbackup -f 9999 -6so /mnt/dos/ptivo.bak /dev/hdc

    To restore:

    restore -x -s 400 -zpi /mnt/dos/ptivo.bak /dev/hdc

    I made the swap size 400 Mbytes for no good reason except that I know it should be ~300 or larger.

    Also the system information spreen verified the 293 Hours at lowest quality and 50 at extreme fine.

    Cheers.
     
  17. Jan 1, 2004 #17 of 287
    dkostan111

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    Yes I know how to spell...

    I also wanted to add that I used the boot disk with LBA (11.5M) from the Hinsdale How-to upgrade page. My thanks goes out to the authors. I would post the link but that's what got my previous post rejected.

    Cheers.
     
  18. Jan 1, 2004 #18 of 287
    dkostan111

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    Okay that's fine. But why didn't you tell everyone this before since the thread started out with the statement that the 57H image was required to upgrade the 810?
     
  19. Jan 1, 2004 #19 of 287
    DCIFRTHS

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    Have you confirmed that the swap is actually there and working? I have been reading that using the MFS Tools disk does not successfully create swaps larger than 127 MB.

    Thanks.
     
  20. Jan 2, 2004 #20 of 287
    dkostan111

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    To tell you the truth I never confirmed it before putting the new upgraded drive back in the 810 unit. I suppose I could pull it back out tomorrow and have a look (I don't have another spare drive to try this out on). When will this become apparent if the swap size is too small?

    Cheers.
     

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