Streaming TV is about to get very expensive

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  1. Mar 3, 2020 #601 of 632
    lparsons21

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    Yeah, YTTV’s UI could use some work, couldn’t agree more. I’m 76 and have had cable/sat for a lot of years, so I’m as used to those UIs as anyone else. I got started looking at dropping the tv cord when I found that during the day TV watching just sucks. The choices are reruns of the same shows and episodes on more than one channel. So I found other ways to get something to watch during the day and streaming filled the bill. The next step to finally drop cable/sat was easy after that.

    I’m not on YTTV because I find better value using a combo of apps I was already using and adding Sling Blue to it. Helps that I can get all my locals via OTA and Tivo. But if I needed the whole widget to switch, YTTV would be at the top of my list.

    EDIT: I’ve read that ATTs offering has 5.1 audio which is missing from the other live streaming offerings. But 4K? Yeah, I read that they can, but there isn’t any there now from reviews I’ve read.
     
  2. Mar 3, 2020 #602 of 632
    Steveknj

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    My guess is they will have 4K sooner rather than later, maybe just some OD offerings at first.
     
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    TonyD79

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    Especially as they are targeting existing and potential satellite users which has the most 4K of any linear provider.

    My had to leave directv due to line of sight problems a few years ago. If this existed then, I may have jumped on it. Since then, fios has caught up on a lot of HD sports (full EI, etc, ESPN college channels) so my incentive is less.
     
  4. Mar 3, 2020 #604 of 632
    Bierboy

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    I could not disagree more. YTTV has a fine interface; I wouldn't call it outstanding, but I wouldn't call it "terrible" - certainly the better of the two (Hulu and YTTV). What limitations do you mean? The only limit on the DVR is 9 months there's no "capacity" limit. Please describe to us how you think YTTV is "terrible".
     
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    Howie

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    DirecTV is much easier to navigate and to quickly accomplish what you want to do than YTTV, to me at least. Now that could be because I've been using DirecTV for the last 25 years and it's second nature to me. I suppose I'd get better at YTTV with a little more practice at it.
     
  6. Mar 3, 2020 #606 of 632
    pdhenry

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    If YTTV had more direct navigation to a given channel it might be easier to use, but I just end up adding all my programs to the library and watch from there so I do very little navigation of the Live TV grid.
     
  7. Mar 4, 2020 #607 of 632
    Steveknj

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    For me it was horrible to navigate. Giant channel icons at the bottom where I had to scroll constantly for what i wanted to watch. Compared to the ease of use typing in a channel number onscreen or going to a guide where you can see what's currently playing and what's upcoming for the next 2 hours. Limitations include lack of "advanced" sound, like Dolby Digital. no 4k that I can see. And it's missing some channels I watch regularly. I never used Hulu Live so I can't compare, but compared to what I am used to, it was terrible. I didn't try it but is there the ability to swap back and forth with the previous channel, something I do frequently when watching live sports.
     
  8. Mar 4, 2020 #608 of 632
    mdavej

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    No wonder you hated it. You had no clue how to use it.
     
  9. Mar 4, 2020 #609 of 632
    Steveknj

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    Huh? Care to explain? It's TV, there shouldn't have to be a "learning curve".
     
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  10. Mar 4, 2020 #610 of 632
    mdavej

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    Guide: 1 click, same as Tivo. No learning curve.
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    No DD yet, I'll give you that.

    How many 4k channels do you get on Tivo?

    I can do without a couple of channels to save $50+/month. It's only TV.
     
  11. Mar 4, 2020 #611 of 632
    Steveknj

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    No DD is a deal breaker for me. I don't use TiVo, I'm in DirecTV. We have about 5-6 4k channels, but, three's also live sports that is in 4k, including the Olympics which is something I'm interested in. And like the beginning of HD 15 years ago, it will take time to get more.

    For me, the couple of channels include channels I watch regularly. My local demo (when I tested a couple of months ago) didn't include CW and PBS. It didn't include MSG, and as I'm an avid hockey fan, that also makes it a deal breaker. So, as I said, missing important channels, tech is not up to standards, and (for me) ease of navigation. I don't begrudge anyone who uses and and enjoys the savings, but for me, it's about more than money. Until there's one service that meets my needs, I'll stick with the "expensive" service for as long as I can afford to.
     
  12. Mar 4, 2020 #612 of 632
    lparsons21

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    Uh, no the guide is just barely similar to Tivo. Just program name, no description of episode unless you start viewing it that I can find, and that holds true throughout. Frankly the iOS version of the app works better though it has plenty of warts too.

    And the guide width is not even a full day.

    I like YTTV for lots of things, its UI isn’t one of them.
     
  13. Mar 4, 2020 #613 of 632
    mdavej

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    Very true. I said it was "1 click like Tivo". Guide itself leaves a lot to be desired.
     
  14. Mar 4, 2020 #614 of 632
    mdavej

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    Yeah, it's going to be impossible to replace a $130+ DirecTV service with a $50 one. But it should at least have CW and PBS by now in most markets. If I really need DD, I can get it from the individual TVE apps. Otherwise PLII is close enough for now.

    I had DirecTV on and off for a number of years. You definitely get what you pay for. Whatever you do, don't let AT&T trick you into switching to AT&T TV. It has no 4K or PBS either. There are many reports in the forums of reps telling customers DirecTV isn't available anymore and that they have to switch.
     
  15. Mar 4, 2020 #615 of 632
    Steveknj

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    No, not switching to AT&T TV either. At least not yet. But it is certainly more robust than YTTV on the outset, and that's why it's more expensive. Still AT&T, for such a large company has no idea how to market this. They just seem to be throwing stuff against the wall to see how it sticks. People are moving away from the services they are offering. I'm a dinosaur and I admit that. I want it all and will pay for it. But the "kids" who are used to streaming and finding their own content are moving away from the model that appeals to me.
     
  16. Mar 4, 2020 #616 of 632
    mdavej

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    I ran the beta for AT&T TV for nearly 2 years. Nowhere near as robust or feature rich as YTTV. Not even in the same ballpark. DVR barely works and has virtually no advance features. It's nearly impossible to cancel a series recording. No profiles. Forced HDR that ruins the picture on many TVs. Many, many other bugs. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
     
  17. Mar 4, 2020 #617 of 632
    Steveknj

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    No, you ran the beta of AT&T Now. AT&T TV is a different animal and is MUCH more robust than both YTTV and DirecTV Now.

    Edit to add: And this is why I say AT&T is screwing the pooch marketing this.

    First of all, why get rid of a known brand like DirecTV which many (most?) people consider quality premium TV? They have this desire to throw their corporate name on everything. They would have been better off naming it DirecTV Streaming.

    Second of all, the name is WAY too similar to their existing product that people have been leaving and moving on to other systems like YTTV. People are getting VERY confused, and will have no idea what the difference is.

    They have really messed this up and I question if they can ever recover from it. That's what happens when a mobile phone company tries to tackle something they have no clue about.
     
  18. Mar 4, 2020 #618 of 632
    mdavej

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    Really? It's the same exact app.
     
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    Steveknj

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    You DO realize that AT&T TV requires and external box, right?

    AT&T TV - Live Streaming TV + Apps, Voice Controlled

    This just came out this past week and there have been beta testers of the receiver for about 6 months.
     
  20. Mar 4, 2020 #620 of 632
    mdavej

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    Yeah, I had 2 hardware versions of the boxes and 3 versions of the remotes. Same hardware, same app. First box was manufactured 3/2018, exactly 2 years ago. I did 2 rounds of beta testing. Recently sold all my hardware on ebay.

    Here's my thread about it:
    https://www.avsforum.com/forum/184-...w-t-directv-now-android-tv-streaming-box.html

    Tell me more about this robustness.
     

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