Streaming TV is about to get very expensive

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mr.unnatural, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. Lurker1

    Lurker1 Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2004
    Streaming is expensive if you subscribe to all of your desired services at the same time. Unlike cable, there is no requirement to do this. You can easily add and drop services online anytime you wish.
  2. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Oct 26, 2017
    Elizabeth, CO
    That is exactly what I do, when Impulse dropped a couple weeks ago I signed up for You Tube premium and now that I have finished it I will be cancelling. Once The Expanse comes out in December I will sign up for Amazon Prime, and cancelling when I am done. Finally Star Trek: Picard will get me to sign up for CBS all access until I am done. Most of my viewing is OTA so no costs there and the few regular cable shows I watch (SyFy, USA, etc) I buy the series on iTunes so no subscription at all
  3. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

    Mar 23, 2003
    Northbrook, IL
    I just got the first year of Disney+ for free through Verizon. :)
  4. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    I have Hulu Live, and now I'm running the YTTV 14-day free trial so I can compare "side-by-side". One thing I noticed right away is the video quality is better with YTTV. Watching live NHL last night and comparing, there's an obvious difference. Sure, if I go with YTTV and cancel Hulu, there's a good chance YTTV will also increase. But we added Hulu Live last December, and the price has now increased 37.5% in less than that year. Screw's a matter of principle. Plus, the YTTV guide and the DVR (no limit) is nicer. There are other nuances that pretty much cancel each other out, but, as I said, it's a matter of principle right now.
  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Been saying this for a couple of years now. People are going to "want" all of these streaming services. And at some point the number of people who will play service roulette, moving from service to service depending what's on will diminish too because of of two things will happen. Either the content will keep you there, or, these services will get "smart" and realize that a lot of people are jumping and either give discounts for yearly subscriptions or just do away with monthly subs.
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  6. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Oct 26, 2017
    Elizabeth, CO
    If that does happen than I am out. I will NOT pay $100/month for an hour or two of Tv a night. Granted there are shown on subscription services I like - Impulse/YT Premium, The Expanse/Amazon Prime, Stranger Things/Netflix and star Trek/CBS AA but I can get my fill of TV from OTA and what I can buy on iTunes for $25/season
  7. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    You probably aren't typical. People will see things they want to watch and subscribe, and a good service will continue to offer programming that people want. And if there are enough of these shows on enough of these services then you are going to have the scenario I described. These Executives are smart. They know that people will do what they do and they will do whatever it takes to prevent loss of subs if possible.
  8. EWiser

    EWiser Active Member

    Oct 2, 2008
    I think there will be a cost to short subscription periods by the streaming services. Either allowing for a short subscription period at a higher price. Or paying for a whole season on a show at a higher that subscription price.
  9. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

    May 17, 2001
    As we've been streaming longer and longer, I realize my wife and I have also gotten more and more binge-ified in our viewing habits. Counting Amazon Prime, which we'd have whether we had cut the cord or not, we subscribe to 4 services concurrently. But I notice that with very, very few exceptions, we only watch one or two shows at a time these days (excluding live hockey games). If/when the streaming services decide to penalize start-and-stop subscribers, it might very well be cheaper for us to buy our shows a la carte from iTunes or Amazon. It might actually be cheaper for us to do that now.
  10. hapster85

    hapster85 Well-Known Member

    Sep 7, 2016
    Are they? They had a good thing going with cable and satellite, but ruined it by trying to wring more and more money out of their customers. People who cut the cord with cable for won't hesitate to drop a steamer. Look at AT&T. They're killing there Now service.

    The truly smart services will survive. The ones who aren't, won't.

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  11. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I think AT&T is the exception. But I do think that you're right. The smart ones will survive. Where cable and satellite failed is that they didn't see this coming as quickly as it did. DirecTV saw that the NOW service they were offering made no sense. You can see all of these services are having trouble. Sony has dropped theirs already. The model was priced too low. The content was much more expensive than they anticipated. All of these services have had multiple price increases of the last few years. Now you see that most are going to abandon that model, and just provide their own content. Thus, you have Disney +, HBO Max, Peacock, CBS All Access. ANd with that comes a cost for all of them. Those who want it all will find out that cable/sat is still the best option. Those who want more selective options will go the streaming route. That's where I can see this going. These OTT services, that offer some channels for a reduced rate will eventually go away as it's just not cost effective and too selective in it's options (one offers Viacom, another Discovery, etc.) I think you will see OTT setups like what TMobile and ATT's upcoming service, with a cable like offering might be more the future for those who want cable/sat. But these half-a$$ed ones we see now for $50 or $60 will eventually rolled into those services.
  12. warrenn

    warrenn Active Member

    Jun 24, 2004
    One thing I could see happening is that there might be umbrella service which charges a pay-per-minute price to view a wide variety of streaming services. The pricing could be similar to playing games at an arcade. Some games are cheap to play and some are more expensive. It could be the same with streaming services. A junk channel could be very cheap while Disney+ would be a lot higher. Pricing could be such that viewing 5-10 hours of a service would be similar to the monthly fee for that service. People who watch a single service a lot would likely just subscribe to that service since it would save a lot of money. But for a lot of the other services, I feel they would make more money if people had an option to only pay when they viewed. Lots of services aren't compelling enough to subscribe to--even for just a month. But if I could just click on a service and pay as I watched, I would end up watching a lot more of content from those minor services and they would make something from me rather than nothing.
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  13. hapster85

    hapster85 Well-Known Member

    Sep 7, 2016
    Everyone wants a piece of the pie, but the fundamental flaw in their thinking always seems to be overvaluing their content. So they all think they deserve a bigger cut, which continues to be the driving force behind most fee increases, for both cable and the live streamers. I don't think that fracturing the market along studio lines is sustainable long term either.

    I think it will be interesting to see how things play out over the next few years as the landscape continues to evolve.

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  14. gschrock

    gschrock Active Member

    Dec 27, 2001
    holt, mi
    I don't necessarily *want* a service like hulu live. But if you want sports, you don't really have a choice but to subscribe to one of these types of services. Other than the sports, I'd be fine with things that are completely on demand and not live.

    Even with this increase I don't think I'm quite at the cost of what I was paying before I dropped cable. And in general I think I'm somewhat more satisfied with the quality of what I'm getting (I found comcast to be getting worse and worse in the amount of compression that was going on).
  15. Malcontent

    Malcontent Ancient Astronaut Theorist

    Sep 4, 2004
  16. pdhenry

    pdhenry Recumbent

    Feb 27, 2005
    Free with ads is a valid business model. Pluto comes to mind, frankly. Or actually, to their point, live broadcast TV. I'd give free Peacock a try.
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  17. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I don't see how free with ads can be viewed negatively compared to Hulu's $6 with ads tier...
  18. realityboy

    realityboy Well-Known Member

    Jun 12, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    The free version only has some content so unless you’re a Comcast customer it’s $5 with ads, $10 without.
  19. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    I signed up for Hulu basic with ads for a year for only $2.99 per month. There are several older sitcoms that my wife and I like to watch, but sitting through the commercials was driving me nuts. I bought a lifetime license for an app called PlayOn a couple of years ago that allow me to record from any streaming service on my PC. I just set up the various streaming services in the Channels section of the app and provide my login info to allow it to connect. I can browse through the various selections being offered and add the ones I want to record to the queue. The shows are streamed in real time to my PC and recorded. I then edit out the commercials using VideoReDo and save them as mkv files on my server. I only do this with older TV shows since PlayOn does not support 5.1 audio and only allows me to record in 2-channel stereo. I recorded every episode of Cheers and Frasier so far and have all of the commercials edited out. I think the PlayOn license was about $30-40.

    I recently upgraded my VideoReDo license to the latest TVSuite version 6. I've been using VRD ever since the days when we first learned how to transfer Tivo recordings to our PCs using a TivoNet/TurboNet adapter and it was the only editing software available that would work with Tivo files. I love it because it also works with wtv and dvr-ms files from Windows Media Center, which happens to be my primary method of recording TV nowadays.
  20. jamesbobo

    jamesbobo with a grain of salt

    Jun 18, 2000
    I just read about Comcast's NBC Peacock streaming service. Unlike most services, it will be free for those willing to watch ads. There will be a fee for those who want to be ad free. I believe it is set to start sometime in February.

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