Streaming TV is about to get very expensive

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mr.unnatural, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. Sep 3, 2019 #341 of 781
    Allanon

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    Disregard what I said!

    I still have time on my trial so I went to Youtube TV on my computer and the interface is a lot better than my Vizio TV. The stuff I recorded didn't have unskippable commercials. On my Vizio TV the recordings were mixed in with VOD videos and the only way to tell if it was a recording or VOD is to read "recording" in the description of the show instead of "release". I had to search though all seasons to find the recordings.

    Sorry for the misinformation.
     
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    aaronwt

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    Too long. That and On Demand with commercials is the reason I didn't go with the streaming services for most of my content. I use ad free Hulu and Philo to cover most of my content. And the five or so CW shows I watch, I buy outright from Amazon, Fandango Now, or Vudu. Whichever has the lowest price for the season.
     
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    gschrock

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    Part of my issue may be that I've got the live tv version, but with the no-ad version of the ondemand stuff. I know that stuff I record I can't skip on the dvr without paying for their extra premium dvr nonsense (something I find quite ridiculous), but I've been finding even stuff that aired recently that I don't have on the dvr but play ondemand had commercials in it (that were unskipable). I get the impression that some networks for a little while after the episode airs can have their commercials left in the on-demand version, then after a certain number of days it goes to completely ad-free. Ran into this with Good Eats and So You Think You Can Dance recently.

    Hulu sort of acknowledges this in one spot, but that acknowledgement isn't particularly clear on what content is really covered by that, and how it really works. To see an "ad-free" service and still allow that to be happening is really kinda sketchy.

    On the bright side, it annoyed me enough to take the time to figure out why my plex server had stopped recording things (turns out they did an upgrade that I needed to do to keep getting the guide data).
     
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    astrohip

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    I pay $262/month, that includes all taxes & fees (the credit card charge is what I looked up). Only TV (what else do they offer?). I have every channel you can get, premiums and all. Plus a Genie, plus 3 Minis.
     
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    MikeMar

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    Guess premiums add up but I have Verizon paying 180 including internet and phone too. Have a middle package and 3 dvrs
    When we had direct TV 10 years back my bill was like 70 or something
     
  6. Sep 3, 2019 #346 of 781
    aaronwt

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    Wow!! And I thought I was paying alot for DirecTV in 2001. When I paid $120 a month. I got it back then mainly for the handful of HD channels they had. But that was more than Comcast had in my area(they had zero back then). Plus, getting DirecTV in 2001 is how I discovered their TiVo options. And I fully embraced TiVo when I got three of the DirecTV TiVos back then. Plus one, non TiVo, HD STB in 2001.
     
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  7. Sep 3, 2019 #347 of 781
    Anubys

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    I think DirecTV's DVRs are excellent...and their packages are competitive with other providers. It's the nickel and dime crap that gets the prices so high. You used to offset all those charges by calling and getting credits but those days are long gone once AT&T bought them.

    AT&T used to be a stock I owned because they paid excellent dividends. I know this is not their core business but if their management is that short-sighted, there's no way they will grow relative to others. I dumped their stock over a year ago. As Mr. Buffett always said, you buy the management team. This management team is exceedingly stupid.
     
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    mr.unnatural

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    I think I pay about $158 per month with Verizon for their Xtreme HD package with Showtime and I get HBO free for two years. That price also includes internet and a landline phone. I watch a handful of cable channels and most of the network channels via OTA antenna. The wife likes to watch old sitcoms and the classic movie channels plus Fox News. I'd cut back on my TV service if the basic package offered the channels she likes to watch. I can find anything I watch via other sources if need be, and usually at a higher resolution than what I get on FIOS.
     
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    Steveknj

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    I've been saying this for awhile. We are kind of back in the 1980s again where companies are diversifying into things they have no business getting into. I guess they saw a synergy between mobile and the entertainment business but it's not really there or ready and things are moving too fast for them to build this out properly. They really know little about this business and I think they saw it as a way to get possible clients for their mobile (indeed when they first bought they company they used to hard sell you their mobile service when you made a CS call. Now that they are losing subs at a faster clip than they anticipated they have no idea how to stop the bleeding. This latest venture, which I was really interested in is ridiculous. There's no current Sat subscriber who would switch from a system that works well for the, to a system that might not work as good, has more limits and cost as much AND locks you in for a 2 years. This is exactly why people are cutting the cord, yet they are doubling down on a dying system. And I'm REALLY scared what they will do to the Time Warner owned content, including HBO. That's another business they had no business getting into. Eventually, like what happened after the diversify boom in the 1980s, companies divested of everything but their core businesses. I expect in 5-10 years we'll see the same thing here.
     
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    Steveknj

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    Cable is offering deals similar and I've been tempted to switch to cable, only I can't get any good information on the quality of their DVRs (Atlice One) and any limitations they have that might wind up having this cost me more in the long run. So I'm sticking with what I know for now.
     
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    lambertman

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    I pay xfinity $193 a month, of which my wife's company refunds us $50 for her home office. Preferred TV, one DVR downstairs, Stream app on the upstairs Roku (still free during a lengthy beta), HBO, extreme internet and phone. We'll re-add Showtime and Starz on short-term bases when certain shows start back up, pushing us as high as $210. I haven't bought RedZone back since they stopped giving it to me free, and I do miss it, but I don't miss it $10 worth yet.

    I'm sure there are better deals to be had, but that's a lot of moving parts to upend. I'm lazy and my wife likes to get her work done.
     
  12. Sep 4, 2019 #352 of 781
    stellie93

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    Right now I'm using Media Center and my OTA antenna plus netflix and Amazon prime. But by the end of the year they won't be supporting Media Center anymore. I don't need more channels, but I can't live without DVR. I know Tivo has an OTA DVR, and I've seen some others out there pretty cheap. Any recommendations? Do they supply guide data?
     
  13. Sep 4, 2019 #353 of 781
    xuxa

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    HDHomeRun and use Plex - something like this -all guide data plus you can watch live tv/dvr/media on any of your devices. Not too different from your Media center setup and even better.

    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/silico...age/9999300000000165.p?skuId=9999300000000165
     
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    Mikeguy

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    A "renewed" Roamio OTA from the TiVo online outlet (guide data subscription included), or a Bolt OTA (subscription at a reduced price from the normal TiVo pricing). Also, check out used items in the sales section here in the forum. TiVo also will be bringing out a new model of box, with slight audio/video capability enhancements over the current, in the near future.

    An Amazon Recast--missing some of TiVo's great features but nicely-priced (guide data is included), and inexpensive to extend to additional TVs (as opposed to the price with TiVo, currently requiring a TiVo Mini for each additional television*--simply requiring an Amazon Fire stick for each television).

    Recommendation: look for sales--November/December/Black Friday is a good time, and TiVo has had sales, then, the past few years. The Amazon Recast has been on extended sale in the past for ~$100 less than the current price.

    * TiVo currently is working on free apps to extend use to additional televisions without requiring a Mini. The timetable is any time now.
     
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    astrohip

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    To compare, I pay Comcast $240/month, and that includes Internet. Same level of channels. But I don't pay Comcast for a DVR (have TiVo's), whereas I do DirecTV.

    Any way you slice it, DirecTV is one of the more expensive TV options. And for some of us, the *only* option. (I don't count Dish)
     
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    Anubys

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    Can you stream as I outlined in my post using a combo of Sling and youtubetv? my cost (similar to yours) will be cut in half. The only problem I see with streaming is the audio is stereo for the most part. I invested a significant amount in my audio equipment and I hate to downgrade to only stereo.
     
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    Steveknj

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    Does Amazon Recast work with cable too or just OTA? What about Amazon streamed live content?
     
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    aaronwt

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    If your receiver properly applies post processing, then it should sound pretty much the same.
    In my testing of the streaming shows I watch that have stereo audio, compared with my TiVo recordings of the same shows with 5.1 audio. Using Dolby Surround processing the audio was placed in the same locations. The same audio emanated from the same speakers.

    Of course sometimes the 5.1 audio or the 2.0 audio broadcast is not done properly. And in those cases post processing can't be properly applied. But this has always been the case with OTA and cable. So it's normal for it to happen with streaming as well. But with the content I watch, the vast majority of the time, the audio they send is correct. And post processing can be properly applied.

    Most recently I tested the last episode of Killjoys. From Fandango now from my Roku in 5.1 DD+, Fandango Now from my Shield TV with 2.0 PCM, and from my TiVo recording with 5.1 DD. There was one scene that had audio coming from multiple locations. With all three, I got the same audio emanating all my speakers in the 5.1.2 setup I was using.
     
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  19. Sep 4, 2019 #359 of 781
    Mikeguy

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    It's strictly OTA. For Amazon content, you would need to rely on the Amazon Fire stick that is needed for each of the televisions that the Recast is casting to.
     
  20. Sep 4, 2019 #360 of 781
    Steveknj

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    Thanks. Just looking at options for down the road. I already own 3-4 firesticks so that's not an issue (and they are cheap enough if I needed more.

    I've been considering cable again as they have some decent deals in my area, but, from the little I have read about them, the Altice One DVR stinks and has some weird limitations. I can go the TiVo route of course, but the outlay of cash for it to be viable on all the TVs I'd need it on is pretty steep. So the Amazon Recast, if available for cable use would be a great option. I'm with DirecTV now, but I get more and more mad at what AT&T has done to the service since taking over.
     

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