Streaming from Tivo to a laptop

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by az1097, Feb 14, 2015.

  1. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead

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    When I connected in Linux (Ubuntu 15.04), it said...

    TiVo Online
    !Unsupported Operating System

    To watch shows on this site, please use Windows 8, 7, XP, Vista, or Mac OSX 10.6+.

    So I just have Chrome say it is Firefox for Windows, and now it works for Linux. I had to do the same for Netflix. Streams perfectly from my Roamio Plus to Chrome on my Linux boxes. Cool. How have I gone this long without even being aware of this website?

    I know when I try to stream shows to the Android app on my HP Touchpad, now running Android 4.4.2 instead of WebOS, I can't, because it claims I have a modified device. Which, obviously, I do. <shrug> Now that I can stream to my netbook, my Touchpad doesn't really matter.

    Thanks again!
     
  2. pfiagra

    pfiagra Well-Known Member

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    You didn't; it just debuted this week.
     
  3. justen_m

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    :eek: LOL. I _just_ received an email from Tivo announcing Tivo Online, with the http://online.tivo.com link, plus iHeartRadio and Plex.

    Is there an FAQ as to how this works? Or a specific thread for this? If I stream from my Roamio to a local PC, the data doesn't go from Roamio, out to tivo.com, and back to me, does it? Based on data rates on the receive end when I stream, it appears to exceed my 3Mbit/s upload max, with speed varying from 1 to 10Mbit/s or so. Occasional peaks around 15Mbit/s, but average is... 7.7Mbit/s. What happens if I try and stream from outside my LAN, say public wi-fi somewhere, library, Burger King, etc. Does that work?

    The email only mentions viewing shows on your laptop from any room in your home. So I am guessing NO to my last question. [edit] Works fine with the latest Chrome in Windows 10. Didn't even get the warning about an unsupported OS.
     
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  4. m_jonis

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    I just tried it, OK, I had requested this feature, but:
    1) Apparently doesn't work OOH (no watching when I'm in Mexico-haha)
    2) The quality (if I make the little 4x3" window full screen) did NOT look like HD at all, IMO. I get a sharper picture on my Asus 10" tablet, IMO. But maybe I did something wrong or didn't tweak a setting (I couldn't see a setting to up the resolution).
     
  5. justen_m

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    My video quality isn't any different than if I were to transfer the program from my Tivo to PC via kmttg. What bandwidth are you seeing on the receiving side when viewing videos? Is your TiVo connected via wired ethernet? Wireless? MOCA? In the past, with other issues (like Netflix streaming), the TiVo connection to the LAN seemed to have an affect. Is your receiving PC getting data ~8Mbps? Or less? Any chance the receiving PC is CPU bound (unlikely if your PC isn't a slow antique)?
     
  6. m_jonis

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    Not sure how to check the bandwidth. The Tivo Premiere XL is on wired ethernet (cat5e, gigabit switch). I was watching on my Core i7 laptop (4 GB RAM, SSD hard drive) in Firefox. Laptop was on Wireless 5 Ghz. I can transfer actual files just fine.

    The playback wasn't pixellated or anything, it just didn't look "HD" quality compared to what I see on my Android devices.

    I didn't see a "quality" indicator like you with Stream and Android.

    I'd say it looked more like watching YouTube at 480 vs. 720p or 1080p
     
  7. justen_m

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    Ok, so I think that eliminates hardware/connectivity as the source of the problem. I have Win 10. The easiest way to check bandwidth is just fire up the task manager and click on ethernet. There is a line on the graph that shows average throughput, I think. With Win 7, I don't think the "average" line is there, but you should be able to look at the graph and make a guestimate.

    Possibly just a screen size/resolution issue? Don't know. I tried streaming on an ancient 6.50-year-old 1024x600 netbook, but it was choppy because it was CPU bound..

    Android streaming doesn't work with my only Android device (modified kernel), but HD on a 9" screen is definitely different than on my 22".

    It looks different than if you download the show to your computer via kmttg, pyTivo, or TiVo desktop and play it with a media player? I don't know how that would be possible. Anybody able to educate me, or have other ideas on how do diagnose? I just learned about online.tivo.com this morning and have been playing catchup trying to educate myself.

    Sorry, I'm an engineer, and love problem solving. This is weird. I don't have the hardware/licences to fully explore this on my own. Seriously, I am unable to reproduce any of the problems. Makes it difficult to analyze.
     
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  8. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    When you transfer to the PC it's the native MPEG-2 transport stream video in full resolution whereas when it's streamed to the web browser it's transcoded using the TiVo Stream device which introduces some compression artifacts. The video stream you're watching in the web browser is the same one that the mobile apps use.

    I don't see how you can't see a difference? I noticed the edge artifacts, lack of depth and mosquito noise almost immediately.
     
  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The content is going through the TiVo stream. When I looked at the Stream sysinfo screen in my web browser it showed that the video was being sent as 1920x540P.

    EDIT: I just looked at it again. Maybe I mis-remembered what I saw. It shows "encoding: 1280x720 H.264 High Level 4.1 VBR"

    And then it shows "Picture Scaling: 540P"
     
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  10. m_jonis

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    Ah, OK, so I'm not alone. Yes, STREAMING is different than downloading. Downloaded stuff is just fine.

    I was just confused as to why Streaming to PC looked worse than Streaming to my Android devices. But I see the next post so maybe I can see what resolution/etc. is being sent to the PC.

    I'm not sure if the Stream to PC is via the Tivo Stream or not (I'm assuming it is), since I don't have a Roamio.
     
  11. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    It is via the Stream. If you don't have one either built into your Roamio or stand alone in your system then you can't stream to your web browser.
     

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