Streaming coming to the Premiere - Confirmed

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by innocentfreak, May 19, 2011.

  1. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001



    It looks like the RCN employee accidentally(?) let slip that 14.8 includes some of the necessary framework to support streaming coming to the Premiere.

    I just hope it doesn't replace transfers. If TiVo is smart it will offer both options on copy freely content, and offer only streaming on copy once content. Also I wonder if this means we may see a unified My Shows list.
  2. TheWGP

    TheWGP Hmmm...

    Oct 26, 2007
    Amen! In my network situation (and no CCI byte issues) I actually prefer copying to streaming for reasons too pedantic to delve into, so I hope copying remains an option. Hopefully Tivo realizes there's multiple cable systems out there with different CCI byte setups.
  3. Test

    Test Well-Known Member

    Dec 8, 2004
    Anyone think this will allow the Amazon Prime Instant Videos?
  4. [NG]Owner

    [NG]Owner Member

    Dec 19, 2006
    Kansas City
    But will this streaming also be ported to any/all of the Series 3 HD boxes? That's what I want to know. Damn TWC and their CCI bytes!

  5. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004


    No. Streaming recorded content has nothing to do with streaming Amazon Prime. There is already support for streaming on TiVos (aka Netflix and mpeg-4 podcasts). It's up to TiVo to develop the Amazon application to support streaming and I doubt that would require any type of software upgrade to the TiVo itself.
  6. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    Doubt it.

    From everything I have read, the Premiere is the first box with a chip powerful enough to stream HD while still performing the normal functions like recording and playback at the same time.
  7. Tony Chick

    Tony Chick Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    In fact it has an entire spare processor core it could use for the task
  8. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    As with all previous Tivo platforms, new and useful features tend to be limited to the latest hardware. Older models don't contain the infrastructure to support streaming. From a business standpoint, it's a pretty shrewd marketing ploy by Tivo to coerce owners of older Tivos to upgrade to the Premiere. It sort of voids any claim that Tivo ever had about not wanting to be a hardware oriented company.:rolleyes:

    Still, it's a great feature and long overdue. With the new pricing structure Tivo should finally start seeing a higher profit margin (or should I say finally seeing a profit).
  9. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    sweet - hope they let me exclude certain DVRs of mine from any overall now playing list though.
  10. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    Even better add user groups like they teased at the announcement in the mock-up screen. This way only shows you selected would display if you filtered the view.

    I definitely agree though they really need to give as many customization options as possible.
  11. P42

    P42 Active Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    It will be interesting to see what they allow streaming to. Something like a Roku is cheap enough to be added to any TV in the house and therefore leverage the recording ability of the TiVo, unfortunately the Roku doesn't support MPEG2 decoding....
  12. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    The Roku does not generate Tivo revenue (well I suppose it would with a licensing deal). I doubt allowing us to have cheap stream receivers is a high priority of Tivo.

    It'll be interesting to see how subscription fees play into this. Before I went lifetime-only, streaming would have allowed me to eliminate all but one Tivo from the household. I can't imagine they would want that loss of subscription fees. Increasing the subscription fee based on the number of allowed stream receivers would not surprise me., nor would marketing a slave that required a subscription fee.
  13. P42

    P42 Active Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    True, it would not generate revenue, unless there was some licensing fee or additional subscription fees. The only advantage I see would be in saving TiVo the hardware development costs of creating slave boxes, though I suspect there are several reference designs in existence, and run a "buy one TiVo, watch it from any TV in the house" marketing campaign to attract new customers.
    Unlike some (many?) of the TiVo fan base I'm a single TiVo owner, and don't see the value for our household in owning multiples in the near future - so regardless we'd not be impacted. But I'd imagine there are others who would like multiple TiVos but can't or won't justify the costs, and this may be a means of TiVo attracting these customers.
    Of course existing customer who have purchased multiple TiVos will be peeved.
  14. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I'm actually curious about your pedantic reasons. Are they for downloading to a computer, or do you mean even cross-Tivo you prefer copying?

    I was using copying as a crude space management tool for a while between my S3 (currently dead) and TivoHD.. before I started actually downloading shows to a computer.
  15. ufo4sale

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Gilbert Arizona
    I've bought multiple TiVo's and I would not be pissed. YouÂ’re talking about two different things. Streaming between two TiVo boxes which is much better then making a copy of the show because you can actually stream a show while it is recording which is nice.
    The second streaming is when you have one TiVo and a couple of dummy TiVo where you have one TiVo doing all the recording in the household and then you can stream those shows to dummy boxes so you can watch it on any TV in the house. That type of system you are only going to see through a MSO type setting. I'm 95% sure of that. In order for this to be affective is if you have more than two turners. I can't see recording a house full of shows with just two tuners.
  16. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    Both for downloading to a pc and also TiVo to TiVo copying at least for me.

    I like to fast forward and rewind and streaming isnt good for that. There are also potential network issues that can arise and interrupt playback. It is like fast forwarding and rewinding a DVD compared to a stream. It just doesn't work as well.
  17. TheWGP

    TheWGP Hmmm...

    Oct 26, 2007
    In my case it's actually a combination of things:

    The #1 reason is - oftentimes we'll transfer a show for the kids and having it in the list of shows rather than having to transfer is often handy.

    - network traffic is occasionally congested (there are several other wireless-n-5-ghz devices in the same room as one of the Tivos, with automated file transfer and backups going, and if I'm

    - Streaming vs. copying is really kind of irrelevant for my purposes when the file transfer goes as fast as it does now with Premier-to-Premier transfers. I can download a file from the Tivo or stream a file to the Tivo and see pretty much the same speeds - the only difference is that the streaming stops and starts as the buffer is filled up. In that situation, the only possible downside really is that the transfer gets interrupted due to some kind of network issue - and streaming spreads the transfer over a longer period of time, so statistically speaking copying has less susceptibility to network issues.

    - I have an extender on one Tivo - recently I switched the extender from one Tivo to another. Copying let me save all my recordings without hassle... though that was more a side benefit than anything, admittedly.

    - Occasionally ff/rewind has been an issue with streaming - it usually WORKS fine but it can be laggy and I imagine it could have issues if I used it more / used it a LOT.

    Like I said... this is pedantic, nitpicky, tiny-chance-of-things-going-wrong stuff, with the exception of wanting to have a COPY for the kids upstairs that we can play locally without worrying about transferring right then. Even that is more a convenience factor - sometimes early in the morning we want to just hit "play" rather than scroll all the way down, navigate, hit transfer... etc, etc. - the convenience factor there is high.
  18. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

    Dec 5, 2003
    I'd love to have streaming from a desktop. Streaming between Tivo units would be great, but I could live with just streaming from the desktop. When you've got a kid that really likes a given set of programs it's tedious to keep copying/deleting them all the time. I'd much rather pull them off the Tivo to a desktop machine with a lot more disk space and then stream them back as needed. No local housekeeping to deal with on the Tivo. Just let me select them with the regular Tivo UI and I'm happy.
  19. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

    Aug 2, 2003
    Uh, yeah, we have that already. Granted it's not perfect...

    1. Streambaby
    2. HME/VLC
  20. bschuler2007

    bschuler2007 Frustrated owner

    Feb 25, 2007
    Count me as one who will be severely disappointed if they go all streaming and remove the copying ability. I've only been hit with the CCI byte once and I love having the full file on the Tivo ready to FF,RW,SKIP, etc..
    As a matter of fact, I figure I pay Tivo about $24 a month now just to avoid those streaming boxes. If Tivo goes all streaming, I'm dropping them and will just get some streamers without the monthly charge.

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