Streambaby - new streaming application

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by kearygriffin, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. dougdingle

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    No, sorry. I rarely use my Roamio Pro for anything but the original intended purpose. I find its apps and in general anything besides live TV and playback of its own recordings to be slow, cumbersome, and often buggy.

    I use various streaming devices from Amazon and Apple to stream music and video when I want to do that. The only useful thing I do on occasion with the TiVo apps is if I'm watching an old series like, say, Star Trek Voyager, I can hit the Record button and from there get the TiVo to load Netflix and it will come up with that episode and play it without commercials and in better quality. That's kinda fun and useful, although it's been a while since I've done even that. When the $25 (on sale - $50 when not) Amazon Firestick 4K can run circles around the Roamio apps in speed, video and audio quality, I'd much rather use that.

    I have no idea how apps perform on the newer faster TiVo hardware, though, just the Roamio. I also have four Minis, and using the apps on those is what I imagine dripping water torture would be like. Unbearably slow and buggy, crashing more often than not.
     
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  2. aaronwt

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    The TV episodes work great with plex, as long as they are named properly. There was a kmttg thread around here that showed the proper naming. I have kmttg set to automatically transfer my TiVo recordings to my HD plex machine. Then kmttg automatically names them in a plex friendly way. After it's converted from the .tivo extension. And then plex scrapes the folders and all the TiVo recordings show up properly in plex. And then I have access to the content from dozens of devices.
     
  3. wkearney99

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    It's going to depend on what kind of VPN you're using. But what's likely happening is your VPN is set up to pass all network traffic from the PC into the VPN. This means that Streambaby isn't able to publish it's info to your local network. It's getting pushed out the VPN. Some VPN have options on changing this, some don't. But it opens up a ton of networking complications that may be more complex than most folks are prepared to tackle.
     
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    eohrnberger

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    I believe what you are describing what is called 'Split tunneling', and yes, it is complex from what I heard.
    Your run of the mill consumer router with VPN is very likely not to be able to support it, and you are starting to need business grade gear, but the low end, at the traffic isn't going to be heavy. One that might, and I'm still looking into it is Ubiquity EdgeRouter. Good gear, especially if you aren't afraid to use the command line (where all it's capabilities are available - not in it's GUI).
     
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  5. thewebgal

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    Guess I am lucky. Streambaby has been a joy ever since I installed it a few years back.
    Got an old macPro in my office and a 4 tuner Roamio in my HT room -
    I don't have hiccuping or crashing or any of that malarkey.
     
  6. eohrnberger

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    I tried streambaby and it works nice.

    I have Galleon running on the Linux storage machine (NAS) so I'm sticking with that, and it still talks to the new Bolt as well as the Series-4 and can download from them. Once a program is downloaded on the storage server, I can tivodecode it, and it's a regular MPG2 file, which the Plex Media server can then make available to the TiVos using the Plex app.

    The Bolt runs the Plex app wonderfully fast, the Series-4 is pretty slow. But I'm figuring that the Series-4 will be replaced by a TiVo Bolt at some point in time. Added bonus is that the TiVo 4k Streamer also has a Plex app, and additional bonus, the Plex Media server can stream from the private library across the Internet to remote locations. Gonna give that a try as soon as the cottage is opened up in the spring.
     
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    mattack

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    I tried asking this in the mini forum and nobody answered.

    Has anybody successfully used stream baby from a tivo mini? I just want to be able to stream offloaded shows to my mini that's on my big TV. I can see the app, browse through he shows, but when I try to play one I get an error.

    The only modification I did to stream baby is whatever setting that makes the stream size bigger -- which might be not possible on the mini?
     
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    vanclute

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    Unfortunately you can't. Streambaby will only work from the "parent" DVR, a Roamio in my case. It will not work from the mini at all as far as I've ever been able to determine. =(

     
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    mattack

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    then why does the mini even *see* the other devices? (i.e. the streambaby device)

    Bummer. so then I guess I'll have to watch some of my offloaded shows (I noticed I have some shows offloaded that aren't available on streaming and are taking up decent space on my download drive) on my bedroom tv instead of the big living room tv.. (The living room TV has the mini on it -- and it mostly provides me the reason I got it -- to be able to have "roamio UI, including quickmode" on both TVs)
     
  10. Feb 2, 2021 #3670 of 3674
    vanclute

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    I'm not 100% sure on this but I *think* that the mini is designed to "see" HME apps just like anything else, but Streambaby was coded before the mini existed so gets confused by the lack of local storage/buffer. Since nobody (apparently) is actually still working on SB, it never got updated to work on a mini - if that's even possible anyway. Personally our mini is connected to a Roku TV so for network content we just use Plex instead, using the mini only for the (rare) occasion where we want to watch content from the main TiVo itself.
     
  11. Feb 2, 2021 #3671 of 3674
    ke3ju

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    It's because what StreamBaby is doing is actually transferring the video file to the TiVo. No hard drive in a Mini to store it.
     
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    davidblackledge

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    That all sounds about right. HME's video streaming is very limited (even more limited after a few choice updates by TiVo over the years), but HME apps show up to every device - they can't say "I'm not compatible with this kind of device" and not show up (technically that would be possible for "add an app" IP servers, but that'd be additional work nobody really cares about). StreamBaby could be updated to just put up a banner of "this don't work on a mini" (I think most of my stuff does that at some point) but it can't be fixed to work on a mini without TiVo doing something that is not in their interest.

    I believe some completely different technique could be created to get a somewhat similar result that works on a mini (using a custom HTML app or some sort of Plex adapter) but I think we're all a little burned out on TiVo apps when we keep getting shut down on the major avenues. I'm still upset by them breaking features used by my Radio Auricle app on almost all devices - I actually enjoyed that one.
     
  13. Feb 2, 2021 #3673 of 3674
    leswar

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    Very interesting as to the mini's inability. Makes sense about not having a HD because of SB great ability to play content and use TiVo features -- just like a recorded program plays off the HD playing natively all the great features/functions of TiVo as opposed to the crappy way streaming services and Plex engage ff/rev/skip functions. Don't you love it when you try to ff, reverse, skip, or 8 secs reverse skip hitting the wrong button and you get thrown out of the video back to Amazon's (eg.) previous screen to start over?
     
  14. Feb 2, 2021 #3674 of 3674
    davidblackledge

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    Biggest mistake TiVo made IMO is to give in and let service apps not use TiVo standard handling. Ruins the experience and makes the TiVo nothing special anymore (in fact worse because of the inconsistency).
    When I started attempting to do HTML apps I worked to maintain the TiVo experience, but I was still stuck with the terrible Video Player implementation in the HTML browser used by the TiVo which makes it impossible to be completely consistent. It can't even do faster/slower play speeds when that's part of the standard...that browser just doesn't implement it. You'd think the people making the technology decisions at TiVo would have looked at how well their choice performs the CORE FUNCTIONALITY for HTML video apps.
     

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